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I asked the first question at the press conference for Lars Von Trier's controversial film Antichrist.

I asked him to please justify why he made the film which I have described elsewhere on this blog site.

He replied that he did not have to justify why he made the film.

With that, dear reader, I rather lost my cool and demanded that he should explain why he has made a film that deserves to be flushed down a toilet rather than shown at the world's most important film festival.

'I work for myself and I don't think I owe anybody an explanation. I never have a choice.

'It's like the hand of God and I am the best film director in the world. But I'm not sure if God is the best God in the world'.

Lars refuses to engage in any serious debate about Antichrist so there's no point me staying to listen to anymore of his waffle.

He said he was depressed when he made the movie but is more depressed now because of the reaction to the film.

He's depressed!

Tough luck Lars!

I'm heading down the Croisette now to cover the Jim Carrey press shindig for the Disney film A Christmas Carol. There's fake snow and all kinds of nonsense.

I loathe these kind of events but, frankly, I'd do anything to get away from that egomaniac Lars Von Trier

Nicole Kidman: Lars used to always challenge me on that because I think she thinks she has an enormous amount of kindness but because of the extreme compassion, it's actually unkind. I think that is Lars exploring through Brechtian techniques philosophies on life. I'm drawn to directors that I consider to be philosophers and you can't always make films like that because they don't get the money a lot of the times and you've got to do them for almost nothing, and there's not very many scripts that are written with big ideas. Obviously Kubrick was one of the forerunners in that realm where his films are philosophical ideas. I think Lars runs in that vein as well.

Julie Rigg: I've talked to Lars a couple of times and he's a handful. What sort of things did he have you doing when you were making...I mean, we see you wearing a dog collar and chain on screen, but are his methods unconventional?

Nicole Kidman: No, not at all, which is what I'm drawn to because I think my whole quest as an actor is the adventure of it, is the experimentation and a lot of the times when I fail in films is when I try to conform, so part of me gives over to the idea that I just can't conform. A lot of the times the people around you want you to do commercial films because that somehow guarantees longevity, but ultimately I think you have to be true to what your nature is, and my nature is non-conformist. So with something like Dogville I'm very drawn to going and living in Sweden in a guest house with ten other actors and it's dark all the time and you're working with Lars von Trier and you work 10:00am until 4:00pm and that's it, but he keeps the camera running the whole time from the minute you step on the set.

Julie Rigg: I read an interview with Paul Bettany around the time it came out in which he said you two were introduced, Lars left you alone, and you started to talk and then you heard a noise on the balcony and he was crouched there eavesdropping.

Nicole Kidman: Shocking. And that was just the beginning. I think I tried to quit the film three times because he said, 'I want to tie you up and whip you, and that's not to be kind.' I was, like, what do mean? I've come all this way to rehearse with you, to work with you, and now you're telling me you want to tie me up and whip me? But that's Lars, and Lars takes his clothes off and stands there naked and you're like, 'Oh put your clothes back on Lars, please, let's just shoot the film.' but he's very, very raw and he's almost like a child in that he'll say and do anything. And we would have to eat dinner every night and most of the time that would end with me in tears because Lars would sit next to me and drink peach schnapps and get drunk and get abusive and I'd leave and...anyway, then we'd go to work the next morning. But I say this laughing...

Julie Rigg: I do now understand why you didn't do the sequel.

Nicole Kidman: I didn't do the sequel but I'm still very good friends with him, strangely enough, because I admire his honesty and I see him as an artist, and I say, my gosh, it's such a hard world now to have a unique voice, and he certainly has that, and he hasn't bent over to any of the mainstream approaches to filmmaking or money, and I admire it.

Wikipedia article

An INF gone nuts? I myself can't "focus" his personality more than that.
 
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klpi

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I just partly saw his movie Manderlay a few days ago, and quite liked what i saw of it. It made quite a few points and was easy for me to follow, so i think that was some sort of a thing going on. Aside from the main character being infj, now that i think about it, i suppose the whole movie was Ni driven.

...yeah, from that plus the information you provided, i'd say von Trier is an unhealthy infj.
 

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asked the first question at the press conference for Lars Von Trier's controversial film Antichrist.

I asked him to please justify why he made the film which I have described elsewhere on this blog site.

He replied that he did not have to justify why he made the film.

With that, dear reader, I rather lost my cool and demanded that he should explain why he has made a film that deserves to be flushed down a toilet rather than shown at the world's most important film festival.

'I work for myself and I don't think I owe anybody an explanation. I never have a choice.

'It's like the hand of God and I am the best film director in the world. But I'm not sure if God is the best God in the world'.

Lars refuses to engage in any serious debate about Antichrist so there's no point me staying to listen to anymore of his waffle.

He said he was depressed when he made the movie but is more depressed now because of the reaction to the film.

He's depressed!

Tough luck Lars!

I'm heading down the Croisette now to cover the Jim Carrey press shindig for the Disney film A Christmas Carol. There's fake snow and all kinds of nonsense.

I loathe these kind of events but, frankly, I'd do anything to get away from that egomaniac Lars Von Trier

the guy who wrote this is a douche for his empty judgments.
 

Economica

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Director of Dogville featuring Nicole Kidman, Dancer in the Dark featuring Björk, and most recently Melancholia featuring Kirsten Dunst. Known for torturing his female leads and for obtaining fine performances from them. Never fails to make shocking statements at his press conferences at the Cannes film festival.

At this year's festival, he first joked that his next film was going to be a pornographic film in which Dunst and French actress Charlotte Gainsbourg had agreed to star. An increasingly (excruciatingly) uncomfortable Dunst was sitting next to him as he elaborated how she would probably fake her orgasms while the Frenchwoman would be able to get into it for real. He then changed the subject and got himself kicked out of the festival by saying, among other things, that he understands Hitler and sympathizes with him "a little bit". You can watch the antics here:

Porn clip
Nazi clip

The clips are worth watching just for the human element of Dunst's mortified helplessness (juxtaposed with Gainsbourg's unruffled appreciation) and Trier's own eventual realization that he has finally gone too far, and some people also find the clips absolutely hilarious in their button-pushing cringe-worthiness.

I post the clips as an aid in typing von Trier. Blackwater and I believe him to be definitely an N and definitely an Fe user. In the Millon typology, we have him pegged for an antisocial who loves to manipulate people and yank their chain. We are about ready to put him up on our site as an (antisocial) INTP whose over-the-top emotionality in his movies reflects his own repressed Fe, but does anyone out there beg to disagree?
 

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Oh, I forgot to mention: Your opinion is useless to us without arguments. We're all ears if you care to explain your disagreement, though. :)
 

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Ok, our reason is to sow the seeds of doubt.
 

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ENFj 100 % (in socionics terms)
 

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I've heard von Trier typed as INFJ - in DN's movie director types compillation thread, I believe. :yes:
 

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I've heard von Trier typed as INFJ - in DN's movie director types compillation thread, I believe. :yes:

Checked out the thread but didn't see any arguments. :cry:

We're theoretically open to INFJ in terms of function theory (as mentioned, N and Fe is what we're sure of) but we don't have any experience with (Millon) antisocial INFJs violating Fe like Trier does.

Can any INFJs here see themselves in Trier in the above clips?
 

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Heh, well, I had read and watched interviews before, but when I went looking for INTP quotes I stumbled on quotes for INFJ instead! Enough to convince Blackwater as well. Here is the typing with quotes in case anyone's interested.

Maybe the dissent here was of use after all. :wink: Thanks. :)
 

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Director of Dogville featuring Nicole Kidman, Dancer in the Dark featuring Björk, and most recently Melancholia featuring Kirsten Dunst. Known for torturing his female leads and for obtaining fine performances from them. Never fails to make shocking statements at his press conferences at the Cannes film festival.

At this year's festival, he first joked that his next film was going to be a pornographic film in which Dunst and French actress Charlotte Gainsbourg had agreed to star. An increasingly (excruciatingly) uncomfortable Dunst was sitting next to him as he elaborated how she would probably fake her orgasms while the Frenchwoman would be able to get into it for real. He then changed the subject and got himself kicked out of the festival by saying, among other things, that he understands Hitler and sympathizes with him "a little bit". You can watch the antics here:

Porn clip
Nazi clip

The clips are worth watching just for the human element of Dunst's mortified helplessness (juxtaposed with Gainsbourg's unruffled appreciation) and Trier's own eventual realization that he has finally gone too far, and some people also find the clips absolutely hilarious in their button-pushing cringe-worthiness.

I post the clips as an aid in typing von Trier. Blackwater and I believe him to be definitely an N and definitely an Fe user. In the Millon typology, we have him pegged for an antisocial who loves to manipulate people and yank their chain. We are about ready to put him up on our site as an (antisocial) INTP whose over-the-top emotionality in his movies reflects his own repressed Fe, but does anyone out there beg to disagree?

I like your theory. He compels and frustrates in similar measure.
"How can I get out of this sentence?" LOL
 

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I think he's an INTJ. I followed what he was saying and it didn't come off as offensive to me at all. He's got that uber-Fi thing of trying to understand even the most heinous crimes and people. Probably 5w4 instead of the more popular 5w6.
 

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I really have no firm guess about dominant, but it does seem to me like least so variant has a distinct character to it. My loose guess would be sx/sp, but that's just a vibey thing.

edit: I haven't looked at the other thread, the only one I've looked at was the one I linked- I remember when economica posted it.
 
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