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    Page xvi of The Portable Jung, tells in Jung's own words how deeply painful the discovery about the affair between Freud and Freud's SIL was. This was in 1907 and then in 1909, Freud called Jung's ideas about parapsychology "Sheer Nonsense!" and things began to get only worse after that.

    Jung says that it was the love triangle that was a very important part in his break with him and also that he felt Freud placed authority above truth in regards to exploring parapsychology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Jung lost respect for Freud because of Freud's deceptive infidelity, that's part of their split that had nothing to do with their professional lives.
    And Jung was unfaithful himself, right? - Or at the very least sleeping with his clients, which is possibly worse than cheating on a spouse.

    Oh and regarding Freud and parapsychology, Freud happened to take telepathy seriously :rolli:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    And Jung was unfaithful himself, right? - Or at the very least sleeping with his clients, which is possibly worse than cheating on a spouse.

    Oh and regarding Freud and parapsychology, Freud happened to take telepathy seriously :rolli:
    Hey, I am just relating what I read Jung say. I make no defense of how balanced or fair it was.

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    Incidentally, what is SIL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Incidentally, what is SIL?
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    And Jung was unfaithful himself, right? - Or at the very least sleeping with his clients, which is possibly worse than cheating on a spouse.
    But Jung was an N, so everything he did was okay!
    And Freud was an S, so everything he did was evil!

    (You know how mystics think.)
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    I appreciate the humor, Jen.

    Now my curiosity takes over though: Your think he's S?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    I appreciate the humor, Jen.

    Now my curiosity takes over though: Your think he's S?
    Yes, I thought Freud was an S. He's quite the empiricist, who then adds a great deal of pseudo-N talk to the data. (He started out as a hardcore data collect for... what was it... hysterectomy patients?)

    Many of his ideas seem to be comprised of bits and pieces of data taken from his research but then connected in illogical or inconclusive ways and treated conclusively. N's tend to start with a framework and piece data into it.

    I'd at least give him a TJ rating.
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    Well E, T and J are given to most (i know a few who want him introverted but hey). I'm curious though, please indulge me and I'll get around to my point in a minute: What do you think of Aristotle's type then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Well E, T and J are given to most (i know a few who want him introverted but hey). I'm curious though, please indulge me and I'll get around to my point in a minute: What do you think of Aristotle's type then?
    I don't know. I haven't really studied the Greek philosophers in detail enough to be sure of each.

    (I know Socrates was very much a mentor-type, as opposed to other philosophers who were more introverted... but really, my knowledge about their personalities is very spotty.)
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    ok, well then my idea is that aristotle is to plato as freud is to jung. I'm sure you know this piece by raphael:



    anyhow, it's an interesting point: is freud an empiricist because he's an S or is he an empiricist because he was one of the most technically gifted ENTJs in history and he knew that to break the ground necessary to bring psychology into the realm of science then he had to take the empiricist approach. if you look at the works freud produced at his leisure, then they almost certainly point to N than is, his biography of Da Vinci, his theory of Moses etc.

    to me, the most probable way to make freud an S would be to say that he ripped nietzsche off (which he was actually asked if he had done at one point), that is - adopted nietzsches ideas into an S framework.
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