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    I don't rule out his being an INFJ from the information presented.

    I agree that his writing was a bit disjointed for an INFJ (maybe he was stoned?). And I think he could also be a T type. The whole, "I'm just expressing myself. It's not my fault if kids take it wrong" doesn't strike me as very F, but maybe it's a gender thing or something.

    I don't think the exhibitionism, etc has to mean he's an extrovert. Haven't we all gotten caught up in a performance and did things we later couldn't quite believe what we said/did?

    Also, even though I'm a fairly strong introvert, I can talk comfortably to almost anyone one on one in most settings if they are open to talking with me.

    Where's heart? She's married to an INFJ, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't rule out his being an INFJ from the information presented.

    I agree that his writing was a bit disjointed for an INFJ (maybe he was stoned?). And I think he could also be a T type. The whole, "I'm just expressing myself. It's not my fault if kids take it wrong" doesn't strike me as very F, but maybe it's a gender thing or something.

    I don't think the exhibitionism, etc has to mean he's an extrovert. Haven't we all gotten caught up in a performance and did things we later couldn't quite believe what we said/did?

    Also, even though I'm a fairly strong introvert, I can talk comfortably to almost anyone one on one in most settings if they are open to talking with me.

    Where's heart? She's married to an INFJ, I believe.
    Very true, I can easily see Marilyn Manson being an INTJ or even slight ENTJ, as well. But his shocking bluntness is definitely some kind of NJ. The NP's expression would be more subtle and the SP's more down-to-earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    And I think he could also be a T type. The whole, "I'm just expressing myself. It's not my fault if kids take it wrong" doesn't strike me as very F, but maybe it's a gender thing or something.
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    Very true, I can easily see Marilyn Manson being an INTJ or even slight ENTJ, as well.
    I see him as definitely F. I share his mentality (Ni) up to a point where our minds definitively diverge (T/F) - much like how I relate to Fisherking, in fact.

    Various quotes I find illustrative of F:

    Sensitivity:

    "I've always been very sensitive, and I think that, to me, would be obvious to people," Manson said, "but I guess they missed that. If you're going to have an extreme emotion like anger in a song, or extreme sadness, then it means you also have to have all of the other emotions. ... But I'm sort of overly sensitive, and I think a lot of times people will talk about me like I'm not a person or criticize things that I do or criticize the way I look or just any of those things. It still affects me like it would anybody else."
    Accommodation:

    I started to feel bad about being me. I started to feel like I had to turn me off somehow, to prove that I fit into this convention I know now didn't suit me properly. ... I don't necessarily think I couldn't be married again. I think that I assumed - and it was me projecting my idea of romance onto Dita - that she believed in things the same way I did. I think we got to a point where she was feeling like, 'Well, I assumed you would eventually grow out of this.' And I'm saying, 'But this is me.' My marriage started to transform into something that was too concerned with the rest of the world, with how it would get portrayed in Vogue magazine - and that sort of thing was exactly what I had fought hard to stand against. But I got lost between love and belief in myself. I didn't know who I was supposed to be anymore.
    Accommodation and love:

    Is there any good way to divorce?

    'I think that somebody's always going to suffer more. And I'd think I hurt her more. But only because she didn't understand the amount of pain I went through before it became apparent to her. She didn't understand that my idea of the relationship was suffering for longer than she knew. And so when things ended equally between us, she might have assumed that I didn't care. Not realising that I had been experiencing it for much longer.'

    That's a very female way to work things through.

    'Is it?'

    Very.

    'So I'm a girl? You're saying I'm a girl?' Marilyn Manson laughs; easily, and with feeling. It's unexpected, and lovely.

    (...)

    Is he really in love? 'Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely!' Furthermore, he had no issue with falling in love, after his marriage failed. 'It's actually easy for me, because it didn't make me cynical. My current relationship gives me the ability to realise where I've always gone wrong in my life, not just in my divorce. To realise I was always thinking: I wish that my life could be like the movies, like Bonnie and Clyde or The Hunger or Harold and Maude. And... it can be! It maybe just takes somebody else who is as fearless as you. It takes a person who will not hesitate.'

    To attain... movie love?

    'Yeah. Because now, my only definition of romance is that somebody has to be willing to hold hands and jump off the cliff with you. At that point, you don't want to die any more.'

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    From what Economica posted above, Marilyn Manson could be an INFJ. However, to me, he sounds more like an INFP. .

    He obviously has very high ideals of himself. The fact that he says, "I'm just expressing myself. It's not my fault if kids take it wrong" sounds like he has uncompromisable personal ideals. Also, I know plenty of INFPs who are uncomfortable around people, especially the male ones. INFPs tend to be less loquacious then other NFs. Also, when he is discussing how his relationship ended with Dita, he is only concerned with his own feelings like a dominant Fi would. From what I could picture from reading the quotes, he sounded like he was defending himself far more than criticizing himself.

    He is a strong advocate for himself who has a strong personal value system. He sounds more like an INFP to me, but I could be wrong.
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    i assumed he was an intj based on his whole shtick. it's definitely inj Ni dom. i get more Fi than Fe.

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    Default Is Marilyn Manson an INTP?

    I get the feeling that Marilyn Manson might be an INTP.

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    Why I think that Manson might be an INTP? (In contrast to his outward public image)

    He admits to being shy in real life. Reserved.
    He defends his stance with facts and is very articulate in his point of view.
    He is more concerned with the overall ideology behind his music than how it is carried out.
    He only reacts strongly to events that directly infringe upon his values.
    He is very composed in his arguments, allowing people to challenge and question his point of view, but only if he is permitted to defend it.
    Widely misunderstood and misinterpreted by the media. Enjoys taking the literal and turning them into a form of figurative symbolism.
    Very awkward in talking about his feelings and emotions in interviews, and presents them only as a retrospective.
    Battles with self-doubt, and gets easily restless in doing the same thing for too long a time.

    Watch these videos and tell me what you guys think he is!

    YouTube - Marilyn Manson - Interview in Berlin (Uncut) - Part 1 - this is almost a cookie-cutter inside view into an INTP's mind when it is feeling at its most insecure and detached with an underdeveloped 'feeling' side. Seems very INTP to me, when an INTP is feeling 'low' in life.

    YouTube - Marilyn Manson - Interview in Berlin (Uncut) - Part 2
    "The world is such a victim of itself. I think that my opinion is equal to everyone else's even if it's different. If anything is going to change the world, it should be the idea that you can change one person's thoughts, rather than telling them how to do it."
    "I don't feel a need to really waste emotions; it doesn't mean that I don't have sympathy or empathy. I'm just saying that it shouldn't affect me any more than the next person."
    "I am not interested in the way I lead my life; I'm more interested in the 'why'."

    YouTube - Marylin Manson on the O'Reilly Factor

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    I always figured he was an INTP.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    no idea since i dont really know the guy or much about his music, but somehow he seems more infj to me
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    btw soulfly version of the beautiful people > marilyns
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