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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    Yea but he has charisma, It doesn't matter if you are a lunatic, if you have charisma, you can make people do stupid things.

    I think Stalin is an ISTX, but people disagree with me.
    Stalin was as stable as he was extroverted, which does not exactly make him introverted.
    That is, an extreme EJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And he loved the Nationalist Party, go figger. (Presumably means he sought power.)

    Quick question, since I'm not very far into any of the books, the massively destructive things that went on in China and seem to have left large parts of it and the people as scorched wasteland, he was at the forefront, or just another leader caught up in a historical process?
    He caused it. He wanted to put Karl Marx's ideas into practice and turn china into a communist uptopia. But the idea of Communism is flawed, and there is massive production shortages, causing many people to starved to death.

    As to massive social upheavals he caused, he caused them because:

    (a) he wanted to retain his power and kill his political rivals(i doubt this though because he was already really old, what good is there to preserve your power when you are going to die soon?)

    (b)he wanted to put china back on the communist path, and root out capitalist trends in the country (delusional Ne i think, he think communism is possible despite the failures in the past)
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Mao Zedong: ENFJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    He caused it. He wanted to put Karl Marx's ideas into practice and turn china into a communist uptopia. But the idea of Communism is flawed, and there is massive production shortages, causing many people to starved to death.
    See, now that claims bothers me, Mao as a Communist idealist. I don't know why it bothers me, but it does. Something about the Comintern.

    As to massive social upheavals he caused, he caused them because:

    (a) he wanted to retain his power and kill his political rivals(i doubt this though because he was already really old, what good is there to preserve your power when you are going to die soon?)

    (b)he wanted to put china back on the communist path, and root out capitalist trends in the country (delusional Ne i think, he think communism is possible despite the failures in the past)
    I forget where I read it but one version of the history of the socialist mini-utopia in exile the Reds formed after The Long March says Mao was already using mandatory self-criticisms and struggle sessions to consolidate his power (that is, top leaders would get together and detail what they decided they needed to be criticised about, and Mao would use it against them later).

    I haven't ever found a way to think of Mao as an idealist. He made too much devious use of stuff. And his legacy , and the legacy of the Communist Party, is so very far from cultivated idealism...

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    The Day of the Indomitable One

    Those born on this day will not be beaten down. Not uncommonly they adapt a rebellious stance, particularly in their youth. Because they live in the fringe, or at the very least oppose the prevailing standards of the day, they can be labeled as troublemakers and attract a measure of hostility and negative energy. Over the years their outlook usually become more conservative, settled and reserved, but if they remained unfulfilled or on the outside of society, such may not be the case. More highly evolved individuals of this day eventually moderate their involvement wit the issues of power and becoming more open and accepting.

    The people on this day are challengers by nature. The truth and falsehood of any given situation is something to be examined in plain sight, not bandied about casually or avoided for the sake of convenience. Those born on this day are courageous enough to confront issues or areas of existence that others shy away from. Whether in family, social group or work situation, they are outspoken critics of ignorance and have little patience for flattery and deception. Most often their interests lie in everyday matters and the here-and now rather than supernatural and metaphysical pursuits. Hard-nose realists, they are usually known for keeping both feet firmly planted in the ground.

    The danger exists that the people born on this day can get too hard, like a stone year after year resist the wind and rain. Finally, they may lose sensitivity to the point of unfeeling, both personally and in empathic sense. To safeguard against such a thing happening, those born on this day must consciously allow their humanness-make an effort to admit their mistake, see the opposing point of view and perhaps even occasionally admit defeat. In addition, they must (particularly in their thirties and forties) concentrate on remaining open not only to new experiences but to following their higher aspirations.

    People of this day are rarely in a hurry to get things done. They implement their ideas slowly and carefully, and usually do not overreach themselves. They have an impressive ability to concentrate all of their energy into one area, which makes them devastating opponents and bad enemies to make. However, they can be difficult and intense in love relationships, as they generally must play the dominant role; serious attempts to wrest this position from them usually meet defeat or cause a breakup. Learning to supply tenderness, kindness and unconditional love to a mate is a great challenge for the people of this day to meet.
    This is a description of Mao that I find is quite accurate.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    See, now that claims bothers me, Mao as a Communist idealist. I don't know why it bothers me, but it does. Something about the Comintern.

    He was both an idealist is a realist/pragmaticist. He realized that change is impossible without political power.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I forget where I read it but one version of the history of the socialist mini-utopia in exile the Reds formed after The Long March says Mao was already using mandatory self-criticisms and struggle sessions to consolidate his power (that is, top leaders would get together and detail what they decided they needed to be criticised about, and Mao would use it against them later).

    I haven't ever found a way to think of Mao as an idealist. He made too much devious use of stuff. And his legacy , and the legacy of the Communist Party, is so very far from cultivated idealism...
    When he was young, Mao is very Machievellian. He apply Marx's theory of dialectics to political struggles and use them to eliminate his enemies. This is done to consolidate his power.

    But later in the culture revolution , i think he was too old to fight for his power. eliminating his political rivals for politicial power seems odd when you reach a certain age, because who gives a damn about power when you are about to die anyway. I think he wants to build a legacy instead, proving communism could work in the real world, even in the expense of millions of lives.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

    "In this Caesar there are many Mariuses"~Sulla

    Conquer your inner demons first before you conquer the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    But later in the culture revolution , i think he was too old to fight for his power. eliminating his political rivals for politicial power seems odd when you reach a certain age, because who gives a damn about power when you are about to die anyway. I think he wants to build a legacy instead, proving communism could work in the real world, even in the expense of millions of lives.
    Again, I forget where I read this, but the story goes The Red Guards were more or less Mao's creation. (Aided by whatisname, whoever it was collected Mao's supposed sayings into the Widdle Wed book. Li somebody?) Mao needed a force to oppose the power structures that had grown up around him and had been wandering out of his control. He happened upon young people primed by a particular failed and passed over version of revolutionary education, and he helped it grow. Thus he had within his control a social force that could (and did) "legitimately" attack the social constructs, aka the power bases, of those who were marginalising Mao.

    He believed in destruction. Socialist praxis provided the model.

    An FJ?


    He supposedly had a lifelong fascination with his bowels too and, presumably unrelated, didn't brush his teeth either.

    Shadow Si, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Again, I forget where I read this, but the story goes The Red Guards were more or less Mao's creation. (Aided by whatisname, whoever it was collected Mao's supposed sayings into the Widdle Wed book. Li somebody?) Mao needed a force to oppose the power structures that had grown up around him and had been wandering out of his control. He happened upon young people primed by a particular failed and passed over version of revolutionary education, and he helped it grow. Thus he had within his control a social force that could (and did) "legitimately" attack the social constructs, aka the power bases, of those who were marginalising Mao.

    He believed in destruction. Socialist praxis provided the model.

    An FJ?


    He supposedly had a lifelong fascination with his bowels too and, presumably unrelated, didn't brush his teeth either.

    Shadow Si, maybe?
    That was an argument that he is growing paranoid and tryting to kill his oppoments. but this is Mao we are talking about not stalin.


    Well, what letter are you most uncertain of. When you type someone always, identify the letter X.

    The question remains whether he is an EP or an EJ.

    And the person is Lin Biao.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamiteninja View Post
    Well what was Stalin's type then? That could be helpful.
    pretty sure he was ESTJ.... he got awfully upset at Lenin who wanted to let people have private property (as long as the party still controlled the commanding heights industries)... Stalin wanted to do it the original way. plus, he was insane.

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    Mao - ESTP(?)
    Stalin - ISTJ
    Lenin - ESTP(?)
    Hruschev - ESTP

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