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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    lasse halstrom- yes, wes anderson- no. not at all.
    Why, please?

    YouTube - Wes Anderson talks about Darjeeling Limited

    Especially go to 2:45 where he talks about what he does with his films.

    "I'm drawn in the movies I make on my own to stories about friendship, inspired by people I know, things in my own experience, and where the settings also come from imagination."

    Wes Anderson and “Fantastic Mr. Fox” : The New Yorker

    I was hoping they'd have the whole New Yorker article on line, but I'll quote the magazine that I have at home:

    "[Anderson's] workspace is as carefully arrayed as the set of one of his films... Anderson could not have used a more painstaking way to make his first animated film (stop-motion animation)... he 'found a way to insanely micromanage the movie'... Owen Wilson pointed out the process 'seems to suit how meticulous Wes is about getting things exactly as he imagines them.'

    "...The performances [of Anderson's characters] are controlled, tamped down. The action takes place amid eye-catching decors and anachronistic furnishings. The scripts offer a winking catalogue of inside movie references, and the soundtracks are replete with a carefully curated collection of recordings...

    "In [The life Aquatic with Steve Zissou and The Darjeeling Limited], Anderson emerged as an heir to the likes of Ernest Hemingway and Howard Hawks, rugged adventurers whose daring exploits were matched by their dandyish style statements. Anderson shares their self discipline; their coolness under pressure; their appreciation of the exacting work ethic behind the beauty of objects; and the physical joy in the presence of danger.

    "Already as a youth, Anderson was an aesthete; he assembled his own library of carefully selected editions, had what Eric [his brother] calls a 'cutting edge record collection,' and covered the walls of his room with his own graphic art and collages. He was a big reader, who, in high school loved F.Scott Fitzgerald's short stories. He was also an athlete; he played soccer and tennis and ran track."

    There's plenty more; I just don't feel like typing any more unless someone wants to read it.

    All of this screams ISFP to me.

    Also, people shouldn't forget that films are made with more than one person. And Wes Anderson always has people helping him write the screenplays, as does Spike Jonze. (Not that an ISFP can't write a screenplay, but obviously the screenwriter plays a huge part in what the film will be so their type must also be taken into consideration.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    He's one of the most archetypal INTPs you can get.
    http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?...ab=4&c=crafter

    I think many of you misunderstand what it is to be an SP vs an NF or NT. It's not like we who are SPs don't have imagination or crazy ideas, etc. We just prefer to ground them in the physical, that's all. And we often use others' ideas as a stepping stone for our own.

    I think what you see in those you relate to is the Ti, so you think NeTi, or the Fi, so you think NeFi. I'm not saying you're always wrong; I accept that a heaping chunk of novelists are INFPs, cool. I accept that a heaping chunk of ground-breaking scientists are INTPs, awesome. I accept that some musicians, directors, artists are NTs and NFs. But think about this:

    Artisans are the temperament with a natural ability to excel in any of the arts, not only the fine arts such as painting and sculpting, or the performing arts such as music, theater, and dance, but also the athletic, military, political, mechanical, and industrial arts, as well as the "art of the deal" in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    INFJ
    Frank Capra
    David Lynch
    Guillermo del Toro
    Andrei Tarkovsky
    Lars Von Trier
    Guillermo del Toro is definitely an INFP. He is the same type of person as Peter Jackson, who is certainly an INFP. Their imagination screams Ne.

    I'm not sure if Lars von Trier is P or J, but I would buy the INFJ. In my opinion, he's the same type as David Lynch, whatever it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?...ab=4&c=crafter

    I think many of you misunderstand what it is to be an SP vs an NF or NT. It's not like we who are SPs don't have imagination or crazy ideas, etc. We just prefer to ground them in the physical, that's all. And we often use others' ideas as a stepping stone for our own.

    I think what you see in those you relate to is the Ti, so you think NeTi, or the Fi, so you think NeFi. I'm not saying you're always wrong; I accept that a heaping chunk of novelists are INFPs, cool. I accept that a heaping chunk of ground-breaking scientists are INTPs, awesome. I accept that some musicians, directors, artists are NTs and NFs. But think about this:
    A picture on Kiersey's website isn't going to convince me he's an ISTP. I'm sorry, I just can't make the connection between ISTP and Woody Fucking Allen.
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    most isfps are 9s. 9 is less common than 4s, 5s, and 7s when it comes to film-making.

    i do think isTp is very possible for wes, especially as a 4w3. i can see woody allen either way, but definitely 3w4. i'm even considering jerry seinfeld as a potential istp 5 (w6?). i'm on a huge istp kick. i still think istp makes more sense for pt anderson as well.

    i think you misunderstand N. it's generally a recognizable feature for other Ns, and the way it's ranked/prioritized within a functional type-set generally says a lot about how the person will think, generate ideas, frame situations, explore contexts, etc. it becomes complicated at certain points in the enneagram that create behaviors that run counter to expectations (ie there's overlap, and it's fucking complex). it's just not always easy to see in an immediate work, or from a canned interview. the functions are most obvious when engaged in a social process, when people are communicating as a group.

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    Maybe I do misunderstand N, but I think you also misunderstand S. And it wasn't a canned interview that I was referring to, it was a several paged article.

    Look, I was a film major, and what I read in this article about Wes Anderson (and witness in his films) is multiple references to other films, books, his personal life, music, art, fashion, etc- and he's the one making the references, so it's not a matter of the writer just noticing it. What I see in him is someone who is incredibly observant of things he's watched and experienced and tremendously skilled at shaping them into something unique.

    What do you think sensors do when they create art? Merely look at a bird and copy it?

    And as I said, a film is not made by one person, it's made by many, and he always has his friends help him write the scripts. Multiple people bouncing ideas off each other I imagine can look like Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    A picture on Kiersey's website isn't going to convince me he's an ISTP. I'm sorry, I just can't make the connection between ISTP and Woody Fucking Allen.
    Your telling me he's quintessentially INTP isn't going to convince me either. It's not like I bow at the feet of Keirsey or anything, but I'm going to trust his opinion a bit more than yours at this point in time.

    I'll do some research and see what I can come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    most isfps are 9s. 9 is less common than 4s, 5s, and 7s when it comes to film-making.
    According to you, Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Ira Kaplan are isfps 4w5. Steph on this forum is an isfp 4w3. I'm torn between 4 and 9 for myself (everyone I know irl who knows about enneagram is convinced I'm a four). So that argument won't convince me.

    Although I wouldn't rule out istp for Wes, but I definitely think SP.

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    ^ I think Wes Anderson is ISFP also, but the quotes you posted don't totally rule out intuitive. As an INFP, I actually relate to a lot of that. I consider myself an aesthetic, for example. I like Keirsey's grouping of temperaments, but I dislike most everything else he says. The way he describes INFPs is off the mark.

    Sofia Coppola - ISFP
    David Lynch - INFJ
    Tim Robbins - ISFP, but INFP is possible
    Cameron Crowe - Not INFP, that's all I know....way too Si. Maybe ISFJ.
    George Lucas - His movies are all about visual affects; the script is terrible. Not INFP. And yes, I admit I say that cuz I hate Star Wars (science fiction/fantasy - YUCK).
    Francis Ford Coppola - NFP, maybe INFP. I saw this suggested somewhere and investigated him with the idea it was crap, but then I ended up seeing FiNe as very plausible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post

    Seriously though, every film he makes tends to have the whole "stop trying to control things and just let go" theme that ISPs like to throw around, and I think there's a definate Ti/Fe split in his films (just look at The Game, or Seven, or even Zodiac). His films are also incredibly stylish. I don't think meticulousness is a characteristic INTJs have a monopoly on.
    Listen to his commentaries and behind-the-scenes, dude. He sounds so Ne in them. Also look at his interviews:

    Sorry all I could find was Alien4, which was pretty much edited down from hours of footage of the horrible mess Fincher went through.

    >Also, I'm convinced Scorsese is ENFJ - watching Last Temptation of Christ confirms that for me.

    Yeah. I agree.

    >Woody Allen INTP

    According to Kiersey, he's listed as a ISFP. Woody in real life is a very live-and-let-live person as opposed to his archetype.

    >Paul Thomas Anderson INTP

    I would say INFP. Many of his films have so emotions in them (Magnolia, TWBB) and plus, I've seen him spoke in person and he's seemed so caring and yearning for all his actor/director relationships.

    >Clint Eastwood is an ISTJ, in my opinion.

    According to Kiersey, he's listed at ISFP.

    BTW to all, are these findings on this site based on the type of films they make or the person in interviews/commentaries?

    Because Scorsese makes films that are ultra-violent, although he himself is a very gregarious man and opposes any such violence.

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