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Che Guevara

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I've never seen this one discussed before.

I think he was an ENFP.

- He was very linguistically gifted
- Very idealistic, though not very resilient in following through
- Brought a bunch of idiosyncratic ideas to many different jobs
- He seemed to function via personal indignation and/or "championing" of Latin Americans
- He had this charismatic presence a la Bill Clinton
- He was notoriously inconsistant in his principles a la Bill Clinton

and so on...

Comments welcome :)
 

Moiety

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Hmm I don't know much about the guy but I'd say ENFP seems likely.
 

Ardea

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Charisma, yes.

Extrovert. Perhaps.

Thinker - not sure. Definitely in tune with the people's wants and needs. Perhaps Fe?

Not sure about the P/J.
 

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Sorry, it was the first thing that came to my mind.

Uhm, as far as the topic goes.. I think ENFP works. I don't think a revolutionary like him can really be a J. He was too open-ended.
 

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I've never seen this one discussed before.

I think he was an ENFP.

- He was very linguistically gifted
- Very idealistic, though not very resilient in following through
- Brought a bunch of idiosyncratic ideas to many different jobs
- He seemed to function via personal indignation and/or "championing" of Latin Americans
- He had this charismatic presence a la Bill Clinton
- He was notoriously inconsistant in his principles a la Bill Clinton

and so on...

Comments welcome :)

He was a psychopathic killer.
 

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Totally baseless and unscientific.
but i'd say ENFJ.
I mean, the way and the reason why he got into the whole revolution thing.
And that 'everybody gotta be happy' general theme.
 

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Ernesto "Che" Guevara type?

I searched for Che Guevara but couldn't find any threads specifically on this topic...more just offhand references to him in unrelated threads.

I'm going to go with INTJ; what do you all think?
 

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It doesn't look like Se was his inferior.
 

simulatedworld

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It doesn't look like Se was his inferior.

Well, maybe he was good at Se-related tasks because he conceptualized them as abstract theories. He did publish work on the theory of guerilla warfare, but...fair point you've got. Maybe he was ENTJ?

What do you think?
 

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I always thought he was some sort of NF, he was far too emotional to be an NT.
 

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So... I'm going to be the first guy to say he's ST?

For all you that say he's an NF, I think you're mistaking personification for type.
 

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I've never seen this one discussed before.

I think he was an ENFP.

- He was very linguistically gifted
- Very idealistic, though not very resilient in following through
- Brought a bunch of idiosyncratic ideas to many different jobs
- He seemed to function via personal indignation and/or "championing" of Latin Americans
- He had this charismatic presence a la Bill Clinton
- He was notoriously inconsistant in his principles a la Bill Clinton

and so on...

Comments welcome :)
Bill Clinton is an ESFP

Guevarra? Pffff... :dry: Who cares? ISFP maybe..
 

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I've read a lot about him, and he does definitely not come across as a Perceiver. My vote is on ENxJ.
His logic and tendencies towards emotional decisions were about equal, so i'll make that an X.
At least in my head. I'm not saying F's can't kill people, but he definitely valued justice higher than mercy. Nothing wrong about that. But a clear NF would maybe have pardoned a few more of the old fascist pigs officials.

As I said, he surely can't have been much of a Perceiver. Sure, he was adventurous and shit. But he was really a doer, with a ton of willpower and drive. He had struggled with asthma during his entire life, and even had attacks during the revolution. Didn't really stop him for long! He was also a workaholic, and not at all a laid back kind of person. An NF would have been more of a romantic, or at least caring for his family, Che basically ignored them. He quite literally spent all his waking time writing or working for the revolutionary movement.


Besides, it's Guevara. Ernesto "El Che" Guevara de la Serna.


/the current Comandante en Jefe
 

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You think he was revolting from boredom? C'mon...

No. The fact that you would respond that way merely from me saying Che is ST means you seriously need to go back to the books.

I've read a lot about him, and he does definitely not come across as a Perceiver. My vote is on ENxJ.
His logic and tendencies towards emotional decisions were about equal, so i'll make that an X.
At least in my head. I'm not saying F's can't kill people, but he definitely valued justice higher than mercy. Nothing wrong about that. But a clear NF would maybe have pardoned a few more of the old fascist pigs officials.

As I said, he surely can't have been much of a Perceiver. Sure, he was adventurous and shit. But he was really a doer, with a ton of willpower and drive. He had struggled with asthma during his entire life, and even had attacks during the revolution. Didn't really stop him for long! He was also a workaholic, and not at all a laid back kind of person. An NF would have been more of a romantic, or at least caring for his family, Che basically ignored them. He quite literally spent all his waking time writing or working for the revolutionary movement.

A "doer" as opposed to what? A thinker? An observer? A commander? A doer as oppsed to any one of those things would be well suited for most EPs, as well as ISTPs (just maybe ISFPs, though I doubt Che was ISFP).

Those who use Judging functions first tend to be more deliberate and paced than those who use Perceiving functions first, espeically comparing the Extraverts. EPs are the most impulsive of all, while EJs are not only deliberate, they are more bound perameters than IPs are. That being said, IPs are for their own reasons the most deliberate of all (remember, they use Ji first... not Pi).

It is this "doer" behavior of Che that is one of the reasons I figure he is a Perceiver, actually. He was extremely experiential. Everything was an ongoing process, and unmeasured endurace test for him. I'm not saying all Ps are like that (not even close) but it's a lot weirder for a non-P to be like that.

Indeed, he is likely not a Feeler. He was terribly impersonal, and emotionally distancing. That he supposedly fought for an "idealistic" cause says nothing about his type. We all struggle for causes, and the very concept of a cause itself or how people are connected to them is extremely vague and interpretive.

The way he went about the cause is more important. He had a knack for the military way of doing things, but he was no great communicator, and not a sociologist. Part of his downfall came from not being good at gauging the minds of the people, or knowing how to persuade them. His approach was practical and tactical, and he took things one step at a time, not attached to the past, not planning for the future. He was in the moment.

So, being impersonal and unsentimental, and indeed, more inclined toward justice than mercy, he seems like a T. Being his focus was local, present, linear, concrete, and direct, he seems more like an S than an N (it's worth noting that Castro was probably a major Inuititve influence in his life). But being an ST, was he an STJ? Absolutely not. This man is not a man of strict guidelines, of familiar establishments, or familar facts. He was someone always throwing himself onto new experiences, hands on, with ad hoc approaches (he did literally write the book on Geurilla warfare). He was an STP.

So E or I? I'm really not sure. At the moment, I'm inclined to think ISTP, but I'm not elaborating right now because it feels too shakey to me.
 

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He was a psychopathic killer.

and also a coward. or he wouldn't feel the need for so much backup generated through manipulation. Not even gonna guess so to not insult anyone with a similar prefrences. crazy hoarse, however, may be a (E) No Doubt (N) (F) (j). So enfjs got my respect.
 

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I'd like to respond now to the very original post.

I've never seen this one discussed before.

I think he was an ENFP.

- He was very linguistically gifted

Nothing to do with being ENFP.

- Very idealistic, though not very resilient in following through.

He was passionate, that's for sure. However, I wouldn't take his overly simplified release of his passion as a sign of some NF type idealism. I largely think Castro guided Che into turning his mere passion and resentment into a piece of a greater ideal. Even then, fighting for it, Che still took an incredibly straight-forward, mechanical apporach to a messianic mission. He did not play the idealist's rule in the ideal.

As for lack of following through, if you say that, 6 types come to my mind. ENFP isn't good enough.

- Brought a bunch of idiosyncratic ideas to many different jobs

That basically makes him a human being. It is the exceptional ones that don't do that, regardless of type.

- He seemed to function via personal indignation and/or "championing" of Latin Americans

I'm not quite sure what functioning via indignation really means.
If it's about the drive of his resentment, then again, that doesn't take an NF.

Also, don't pidgeon-hole him. Angolans aren't Latin Americans.

- He had this charismatic presence a la Bill Clinton

Lots of charismatic types, hardly just ENFP. Especially since their are different kinds of charisma. I kind tell you that Che didn't "connect" with people, a la Bill Clinton. That being said, don't base one person's type off of another person's type. Do you even know that Clinton is ENFP.

- He was notoriously inconsistant in his principles a la Bill Clinton

Again, lots of people do that. Look at the reason, not the mere act itself. I don't think his inconsistency, if you can even call it that, comes from the fact that he set himself a simple (though admittedly large) objective, and did whatever seemed like good option for working toward it at the time.
 
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