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    I love Rousseau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_World_As_Will View Post
    Arthur Schopenhauer - 5w4 SX/SO INTP ? Very unhealthy one
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    Schopenhauer was INxJ (Leaning INFJ). Compare him to INTP philosophers (Descartes, Spinoza, Pascal, Hegel, Marx) and there's noticeable differences; He's a much better writer than any of them, for one thing. Then of course there's the irrationality of his thought, the emphasis on (negative) emotion and the fiddling with eastern concepts. Though the systematic mode of his thinking could be Ti, it's not rigid nor saddled with the 'principles' being dominant Ti would bring and Ne? Where is it in Schopenhauer? I really can't see him as an INTP.

    I'm not sure about the Social variant either. Then again, I've never read a very thorough bio of ol' Grumpy Artie, so until I do, I'll leave that open.
    Still, I think Joyce is a better (and more obvious) example of a 5w4 SX/SO or Wittgenstein, who I'd type as an INFJ 5w6 Sx/So (maybe so/sx)

    Heidegger - INTJ 5 (Uncertain about wing) Sp/So

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    Martin Buber INFJ

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    Why do people always type Nietzsche as INTJ ? He complained that the world has grown ''too cold and scientific'' and that the artist really had no place in it anymore. His thoughts also seem scattered to me.
    I am by no means implying that I know more about this than you, because I clearly don't, I'm just curious.

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    Ayn Rand: INTJ 1w9 Sp/So
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Ayn Rand: INTJ 1w9 Sp/So
    John Locke: INFP 5w4 Sp/Sx
    Ayn Rand a philosopher ? Oh please, she wrote extremely badly written novels for the American philistine, with no deep insight or thought in them.

    I do not know about John Locke enough to actually ''type'' him, but wouldn't it make more sense for the empiricists to be Sensors ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usurper View Post
    Ayn Rand a philosopher ? Oh please, she wrote extremely badly written novels for the American philistine, with no deep insight or thought in them.
    no

    I do not know about John Locke enough to actually ''type'' him, but wouldn't it make more sense for the empiricists to be Sensors ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
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    Good argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usurper View Post
    Why do people always type Nietzsche as INTJ ? He complained that the world has grown ''too cold and scientific'' and that the artist really had no place in it anymore. His thoughts also seem scattered to me.
    I am by no means implying that I know more about this than you, because I clearly don't, I'm just curious.
    I just read a short article about Nietzsche yesterday. His ideas aren't so much against science as they are about being against believing science can provide understanding of the object with any depth. He still believed in the study of objects because it provided meaning. He also talks about objects having two aspects. There "true" qualities and what we interpret them as which is extremely introverted intuition.

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    Karl Marx- INFJ LII-ILE 5w4 > 1w2 > 2w1 so/sx
    Socrates- ENTP ILE-ILE 7w8 > 4w3 > 8w7 sp/so

    I've changed my mind on Nietzsche's instinct varient; it's sx/sp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usurper View Post
    Why do people always type Nietzsche as INTJ ? He complained that the world has grown ''too cold and scientific'' and that the artist really had no place in it anymore. His thoughts also seem scattered to me.
    I am by no means implying that I know more about this than you, because I clearly don't, I'm just curious.
    From what I read of him, his thought pattern seems to be Ni + Te + Fi. Although I do often wonder if he may actually be a different type than what I initially guessed

    Also, he didn't outright hate science, but knew that an over-reliance was impractical as science cannot answer everyone question we hope to know.

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