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    Nigella Lawson is just sexy...her voice is hypnotic too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddha View Post
    Hi Eric,
    No disrespect. But I have to agree to disagree with you. Here's why:

    All of the SJ types are called: The Guardians or the Traditionalists. They
    believe in conforming to a system that is already in place and being apart
    of that system. The cooks, chefs, judges on Food Network and on the
    cooking shows of the PBS CreateTV network are mostly SJs. And being
    any SJ type means having Si (Introverted Sensing). Introverted Sensor
    types care about making sure what is in the present conforms to what
    they remember from the past. Cooking is one of the traditional/guardian
    ways to recreate something from the past into present.

    The majority of the population is SJ type, with SP coming in second.
    NF is 3rd with NT coming in dead last.

    Traits of Introverted Sensing types (SJ types):

    - Loves cooking amateur or professional (CHEF)
    - Loves to watch sports on TV or in a stadium/arena (However, hates participating)
    - Loves to compare past events taken in thru the 5-senses with what is current/present.
    - Loves to accumulate flashy objects/possessions for showing off (sounds Se, but is actually Si-Te-Ne combo)
    (SJ men like sporty/flashy cars that are usually older models vehicles to attract attention/mate)

    There are other types that have Si, but its much weaker in those outside of the SJ temperment:

    - INFP (Si is #3)
    - ENFP (Si is #4)
    - INTP (Si is #3)
    - ENTP (Si is #4)

    There are no Si types in the SP temperment. SPs are all Extroverted Sensor types. Extroverted
    Sensing is very different (Se):

    - Lives in the Moment (The Here -and- Now)
    - Does NOT care about the past or the future.
    - Lives in the great outdoors/everything outside
    - Loves PARTICIPATING in sports/outdoor activities. (not caring about WATCHING sports)
    - Likes to Gamble / Risk Taker / Takes Chances / Bends the Rules
    - 'Rules are just Guidelines'
    - Adventurous / Traveler
    - Likes to be UP close and personal (In Your Face mentality)
    - Can be Fearless
    - Likes outdoor hobbies
    - Likes exercising outdoors / bike rides / jogging-running / in the parks & trails

    *OASN* One weird little quirk I have noticed with ESTJs. Maybe its just the ones I know.
    They appear to have a Spontaneous side to them. A tiny little 'Living-In-The-Moment' in
    them. I think I know where its coming from. I think its their Extroverted Intuition (Ne).
    Even though ESTJs have Ne as their #3 function, which is weaker. I see it some of the time
    in my ESTJ co-worker (Who is NOT a supervisor/manager, thank god). She is so mean,
    vicious, calious, so Si dominate with NO nearly no feeling function. She can not improvise
    on anything. Everything has to be done by-the-book, and in sequence. If you violate that,
    watch out. She will: SNAP-YOU-OUT, per say. She gets under people's skin with her must
    do everything according to the posted guidelines at all times, and you will not deviate. Or risk her
    fury. This is why I am certain of Gordon Ramsey being ESTJ. Not ENTJ. I have an ENTJ boss.
    He is a good manager at my workplace. He is HSP (Highly Sensitive Person). He is to the point,
    cuts thru the chase, polite, soft spoken, understanding, willing to give to get. He is willing to bend
    the rules if it will result in more productivity. ESTJs will NOT bend the rules or allow the rules to
    be bent <period>. ESTJ's motto is: Conform to the System and get back to work.

    The ESTJ I work with. She is a vicious B****. Gordon Ramsey is a cruel, vicious B******.

    SJ types make the best homemakers, especially with the wife duties. Cooking. Cleaning.
    etc. They do have their place in society and working under an established system. I think
    it has everything to do with Si (Introverted Sensing). I think most female SJ types are the
    ones with the stronger FEELING side: ISFJ & ESFJ. This is typical of what I see at home
    and at work:

    - I have (2) ISFJ sister-in-laws
    - I have (1) ESFJ female co-worker
    - I have (1) ESTJ female co-worker (She is so hated by many)
    (I pray to god that my female ESTJ co-worker never becomes a supervisor/manager)

    Most of the male SJs are the ISTJ & ESTJ. Which is why women constantly tell the
    majority of men in our society: You men are JERKS!!!! SJs dominate society. And
    men dominate in the SJ catagory. So, there you go.

    I think Rachael Ray has Si. I personally think she is an ENFP rather than an ESFJ or
    ENTP. The ENTPs I know are skinny little twigs (body frame is very small, very tiny,
    very petite) with Si as the #4 function. My niece is an ENTP, she is the skinniest
    little thing. Rachael Ray has a nice more rounded body frame. I will not lean
    towards Si as the #4 weakest function in Rachael. So, she is not ENTP.

    Cooking is very dominate in Rachael. I think like-wise, Si is DOMINATE in her which
    would make her a Guardian/Traditionalist. A 'guardian' of the established system.
    Traditional type homemaker. She is Extroverted. And she has that strong female
    like quality of strong FEELING that seems extroverted too. So, I say ESFJ. As ESFJ
    she does have Ne as #3, so she can be Spontaneous with the weaker Extroverted
    Intuition just as my co-worker ESTJ shows. Ne can be spontaneous and
    'Living-in-the-Moment'-Like.
    Sorry, but that's an awful lot of generalization. All chefs don't have to be Guardians or use Si.
    Also, you're saying she's both ENFP and ESFJ.
    She seems to be a very “in the moment” kind of person. Anyone can reference the past. That doesn't make them an Si “user”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Sorry, but that's an awful lot of generalization. All chefs don't have to be Guardians or use Si.
    Also, you're saying she's both ENFP and ESFJ.
    She seems to be a very “in the moment” kind of person. Anyone can reference the past. That doesn't make them an Si “user”.
    Ok. I did not say ALL chefs are Guardians. I said most. The greater majority of the Professional Chefs.

    I also said both ENFP and ESFJ. I know. I kept trying to juggle which one. I had a hard time trying to come to the
    decision as to which one she is. As most people do. When I think about her taking her cooking profession seriously,
    very seriously may I add. I have to conclude that COOKING is dominate in her blood. So (Si) is dominate in her
    blood. So she would have to be ESFJ. Because ENFPs have Si as dead-last (Inferior function). Its the so-called:
    WEAKEST-LINK. And Si is very closely tied to the traditional cooking profession. Look at the fictional character
    of Marie Barone of Everybody Loves Raymond.

    She is the TRADITIONAL homemaker. She is OBSESSED with her two sons' lives and her family. That
    is strong Extroverted Feeling. She is one of the best cooks, has a large number of stashed recipes
    that her daughter-in-law Deborah Barone constantly wants to gain access to. Marie's strong desire
    to please her family at all times and feed them the best food makes her a STRONG (Si) as a Guardian.
    She is without any doubt what so ever an ESFJ. She is so obsessed with the lives of her sons, to the
    point of BI-POLARISM. It makes her alittle loopy-loony (Crazy). And her character on the show
    actually displays this bi-polar/crazy behavior in the story line of the show.

    Ok. So you still don't believe Rachael Ray is stronger Si rather than Se? Ok. Let's think about this:

    One of her TV shows on Food Network. Its called: $40.00 a day. What does she do in this show?

    She goes on a tiny adventure from lounge to lounge looking for the biggest bang for her buck for food,
    we agree on this right? Ok, so think about that for a minute. What is the principal here guiding her
    on her adventure from one store to the next? VALUE. Biggest bang for the buck. She knows what
    the prices of most foods should be at all times because she has done this before in the past, time
    and time again. Everytime she goes grocery shopping for the best value, she is using what
    function to achieve the best result? Si, of course coupled with her weak Ti. A person with strong
    Si is going to be the BEST shopper when it comes to VALUE and be rewarded with the biggest bang
    for the buck. This does not mean that a Se person can not shop, just means they are not going to
    probably be as good at getting the BEST VALUES. They might have to work much harder to get the
    same result. They will drain themselves quickly and be exhausted in no time at all. Someone
    with strong dominate Si will have the better shopping skills than any person with dominate Se. And
    the Si dominate will use very little energy doing that task. A person with strong Se must use more
    energy and work harder to do the same thing. Which means value shopping with DRAIN them.

    A person with dominate SE does not care about getting the maximum bang for the buck because
    a dominate SE does not care about the PAST or the FUTURE. They are LIVING IN THE HERE AND
    NOW. Price/value would not mean much to the dominate SE type. A dominate SE type would have
    to use other functions to achieve the result of getting the best value out of shopping. Which means
    they will have to use several functions together. Or worse still, they would have to call upon Si as
    a SHADOW function. This will drain the energy of the dom-SE type quicker. SHADOW functions are
    the worse choice because they do not develop til later in their lives and even when they are developed,
    they are WEAKER than your #4 INFERIOR function. So SHADOW functions drain energy from you
    faster still. SHADOW functions are unreliable and can not be counted on to be available any
    time you need them.

    Rachael Ray does NOT get drained easily when she is on her adventure looking for the maximum
    bang for the buck on the $40.00 a day TV show. Because she is looking for VALUE based on prior
    trends that she has observed/taken in with her 5-senses, I can conclude she has Si, not Se. She
    does not loose much energy by doing her walking adventure, always looking for the best VALUE.
    This would be Si, NOT Se. Dom-SE would not care about value. Dom-SE does not care about
    the cheapest price. That's why dominate SE types are known as GAMBLERS, RISK TAKERS.
    Dom-SE types would pay high prices to enjoy the moment (living in the moment) in the outside
    world. Rachael Ray is about VALUE/CHEAP price.

    One more thing: Her show $40.00 a day. She moves around from one store to the next, which
    offers something completely different. This is a sign of Extroverted Intuition (Ne). Ne can be bouncy,
    scatter brained, short attention span. Ni settles on a singular idea. People with SE have Ni.
    Which means if Rachael Ray has Ni, she would bounce around from one similar store to another
    similar store, which would offer similar or the same goods/services. But anyone that watches
    the show knows that she does not do that.

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    When you say "VALUE", you are speaking of JUDGMENT, for another word for "judgment" is "eVALUation".
    I believe what you describe there is auxiliary Ti, and another good evidence of her as a Thinker. (with internalized standards for the logical evaluation). Finding cheaper values is LOGICal! It's not Sensory.
    Si would only provide an internal storehouse of knowledge of how to find good deals. It does not itself evaluate; it only takes in and filters the information.
    While Se by itself would not care about maximum value, it is the auxiliary Ti that provides the rational assessment, and she is in her 40's, so it will be well developed and mature.

    Hopping from store to store also sounds like Se. I've never really watched that show, so I don't know the details of what she's doing, but I've had explained to me that Se deals in "possibilities" as well. Possibilities of what's tangibly present, rather than conceptualizations of what could be. Does she set out saying "I wonder what each store charges, or which one is cheaper?", and then make the leap into the 'unknown'; or does she know what the stores charge, and simply pick out of them the most possible cheapest deals? That would be Se.

    Raymond's mother is an ESTJ (Choleric Melancholy), and her sense of family would be what is more Si; not Fe. That's obviously at the bottom of her unconscious (#8 "Demonic Personality"), as she does not really merge with the personal values of the environment around her; she tries to force her own [semi-conscious] values (inferior Fi) through impersonal control (dom. Te; including ordering the environment such as cooking, etc).
    Female STJ's often look a lot like Feelers.

    You say they're both the same type, but they are very different from each other. They are both EST "In Charge" Interaction Style, but Rache has more of a people-focus and light-and-airiness because of the P, where Raymond's mother is a strictly task-focused TJ who only uses people for her goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    When you say "VALUE", you are speaking of JUDGMENT, for another word for "judgment" is "eVALUation".
    I believe what you describe there is auxiliary Ti, and another good evidence of her as a Thinker. (with internalized standards for the logical evaluation). Finding cheaper values is LOGICal! It's not Sensory.
    Si would only provide an internal storehouse of knowledge of how to find good deals. It does not itself evaluate; it only takes in and filters the information.
    While Se by itself would not care about maximum value, it is the auxiliary Ti that provides the rational assessment, and she is in her 40's, so it will be well developed and mature.

    Hopping from store to store also sounds like Se. I've never really watched that show, so I don't know the details of what she's doing, but I've had explained to me that Se deals in "possibilities" as well. Possibilities of what's tangibly present, rather than conceptualizations of what could be. Does she set out saying "I wonder what each store charges, or which one is cheaper?", and then make the leap into the 'unknown'; or does she know what the stores charge, and simply pick out of them the most possible cheapest deals? That would be Se.

    Raymond's mother is an ESTJ (Choleric Melancholy), and her sense of family would be what is more Si; not Fe. That's obviously at the bottom of her unconscious (#8 "Demonic Personality"), as she does not really merge with the personal values of the environment around her; she tries to force her own [semi-conscious] values (inferior Fi) through impersonal control (dom. Te; including ordering the environment such as cooking, etc).
    Female STJ's often look a lot like Feelers.

    You say they're both the same type, but they are very different from each other. They are both EST "In Charge" Interaction Style, but Rache has more of a people-focus and light-and-airiness because of the P, where Raymond's mother is a strictly task-focused TJ who only uses people for her goals.
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    Well, it seems to me you are THEORY based. Ok, that is fine. Let me explain a few about myself. Tiny bit theory, mostly real-world:

    - I am an INFJ (real-world).
    - INFJs are great at determining personality types of those around them (Actually, I am a walking/talking expert on this subject in the real-world).
    - I am a 911/Police Dispatcher for a large city. My work place is a room full of EXTROVERTs. And most of
    those are indeed Dominate Sensing types, mix of Si and Se dominate types. Which is pretty typical of what
    you'd expect in a society dominated by EXTROVERTs and dominated by the SENSING types.
    - I am surrounded on all sides by these types every single day ; for half of my life. I know these folks (sensors).
    - I know what makes them tick inside-out. I am only 1 of a handful of INTROVERTs. And of those INTROVERTs,
    even fewer INTUITIVE types. We INTROVERTS/INTUITIVES are RARE at my work. And my work place is a
    great representation of our society as a whole.
    - I am in a room with 15-20 people on a nightly basis. Almost everyday. It is a office-like job, complete with
    cubicals. My job is the easiest one I have ever done in my life. Its quite remarkable how my job fulfills so many
    of the sought after traits that INFJ types seek in their lives:

    911/Dispatch offers INFJs the ability to:
    -- Help citizens in their time of need by answering 911 calls (One-On-One interaction via 911 phones)
    -- Help police officers keep the peace on the streets of a rather violent city (One-On-One interaction via police radio)
    -- Make a difference in people's lives. Its a public service/public safety job. That can get very stressful, at times.
    -- The demands can be overwhelming to some. But not for me, usually. The only thing about my job that I do not
    like is the DETAILS. Sometimes there can be so many DETAILS involved. And it can trip me up as an INFJ with
    weak inferior Extroverted Sensing. Extroverted Sensing does not give a damn about DETAILS. Introverted Intuition
    does not care about alot of details. Its mostly worried about the BIG PICTURE. So DETAILS can trip me up. But I have
    learned to cope with it. Actually, I just turned 41 years old. And my SHADOW functions seem to be showing some
    presence in me finally. This works out well, because I now care about coupons for the first time in my life. And saving
    money at the grocery store finally makes sense to me. Before age 39, I never cared about it. I never used coupons,
    I never checked the ADs for grocery stores online looking for the best bargains before I left the house. I just
    made a list of things I needed and went and got them. Regardless of cost, value. Now, all of the sudden, it matters.
    And it really mattters now. I am glad my SHADOW reared its ugly head...

    OASN: Every single Si type at my workplace clips coupons while we are not busy. It is amazing to me. The ESTJ,
    The ESFJs. They all do it. Not a single Se type does this. Of course the Dom-Se types at my work are all younger than
    me. So their SHADOW Si function has not kicked in. For me, it seems to have finally kick started into gear. Now
    that I am 41. Thank you SHADOW functions. I needed that. I shop very consciously now. Before age 39, I did
    not care about it at all.

    So...
    I am around alot of people on a daily basis. Mostly the types we are talking about in this thread. I know them well.
    I know what makes them tick. Its NOT theory for me. Its real-world. Anyway, I'm going to stop. INTPs are the
    master THEORISTS. Not really concrete real-world based. So, I end it on that note.

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    SJ's might clip coupons, because of how they were taught to shop. That doesn't mean SP's will never do it, and we weren't talking about coupons; you mentioned Rachel Ray going to different stores for cheaper prices. That might not be any such Si-esque "rote"; she probably knew about the deals, and just went after them.
    This is all "theory" about things that occur in the "real world".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    SJ's might clip coupons, because of how they were taught to shop. That doesn't mean SP's will never do it, and we weren't talking about coupons; you mentioned Rachel Ray going to different stores for cheaper prices. That might not be any such Si-esque "rote"; she probably knew about the deals, and just went after them.
    This is all "theory" about things that occur in the "real world".
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    Look. I'm done. I've had 2 decades (20 years, that's HALF of my life) of seeing the BIG PICTURE of these SENSOR types at my work. I am an INFJ. My Ni operates like a JACK HAMMER in my mind all of the time. 20 years of being around those people. And seeing the patterns in them. I know dominate SENSORS better than I know dominate INTUITIVES (also INTROVERTS) because of how rare we are. I can SPEED READ a person in seconds. Not minutes like it would take most people because they have to use their THINKING function. I can do it in seconds thanks to my Ni. Just last night at my work, one of our 2 TVs at my workplace was on FOOD NETWORK. And I was sitting there SPEED READING everyone on the show which was a competition show with a panel of 3 judges. And I was verbally saying aloud what their personality type is. Just seconds after they appeared on the screen. And I was even guessing who was going to WIN at the end of the show. And I was RIGHT, everytime. My co workers witnessed this. Some of them were even asking me questions: Todd, what's an ISTJ? What's an ESFJ? What's an ISFJ? What's an ESTJ?

    One of the judges on that show was female, with black hair & a red dress. I instantly could see ESFJ in her. I did not have to think about it. I knew. Another judge on the show was an older woman with a bleach BLONDE hair (ultra short, spike-like). I knew immediately she was an ISFJ.
    I mean jeez. You kinda have to have Si in you if you are a JUDGE for a food show. Because Si is all about DETAILS. The FINE DETAILS. You have to have a function where your 5-senses can pick out the most sutle, slight differences in:

    - taste
    - smell
    - appearance

    That's Si all the way buddy. Se is not that way. Judges & professional Cooks on Food Network are dom-Si types. No ifs ands or buts about it.

    Then later on, Iron Chef America came on, and the oriental guy at the beginning of the show. I immediatelly knew he was an ESFJ. There was a male participant cook with a mohawk. I knew immediately he was an ISFJ. There was another announcer on the show, skinny guy, very expressionless face. I knew he was an ISTJ, all the way.

    Again, these are things I do NOT think about. These are things I just know.

    One more thing to send your way, then I'm done:

    - You mentioned that coupons and savings/value is more of a JUDGING function. Ok. Then explain away a theory as to why my Introverted Thinking (Ti) developed mostly on-time. For me it developed between 18-33 years old. Its what turned me into a little bit of a geek and allowed me to program in 7 different computer languages and that demanded for many years that I build my own computers from scratch. Yeah, I'm a geek thanks to my Ti. But up-and-til age 39 (long after my Ti was already in place), I did not care about saving money? I did care about coupons, value? You're saying its JUDGEMENT based? My Ti was fully developed. Why did IT wait til mid-life to turn me into a coupon clipper? The most likely explanation: The SHADOW functions started to show up in me. That's what happens at mid-life. The so-called 'MID-LIFE' crisis. It rears its ugly head and turns a person's life upside down by trying to turn the person into something they have NEVER BEEN most of their life. There is a good book out there on this subject called: WAS THAT ME? You can find it on Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Its about the Mid-Life crisis and how a person's SHADOW functions can transform a person into something they have never been. OASN: My SHADOW includes the Si function.

    When I think of my sudden interest in saving money, coupon clipping, value shopping. I think of my SHADOW. To quote an old time radio show from the early half of the 20th century: 'The Shadow Knows'..... It just knows. I do not have to THINK/THEORIZE about it. 'I just know', says the Dom-Ni...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    When you say "VALUE", you are speaking of JUDGMENT, for another word for "judgment" is "eVALUation".
    I believe what you describe there is auxiliary Ti, and another good evidence of her as a Thinker. (with internalized standards for the logical evaluation). Finding cheaper values is LOGICal! It's not Sensory.
    Si would only provide an internal storehouse of knowledge of how to find good deals. It does not itself evaluate; it only takes in and filters the information.
    While Se by itself would not care about maximum value, it is the auxiliary Ti that provides the rational assessment, and she is in her 40's, so it will be well developed and mature.

    Hopping from store to store also sounds like Se. I've never really watched that show, so I don't know the details of what she's doing, but I've had explained to me that Se deals in "possibilities" as well. Possibilities of what's tangibly present, rather than conceptualizations of what could be. Does she set out saying "I wonder what each store charges, or which one is cheaper?", and then make the leap into the 'unknown'; or does she know what the stores charge, and simply pick out of them the most possible cheapest deals? That would be Se.

    Raymond's mother is an ESTJ (Choleric Melancholy), and her sense of family would be what is more Si; not Fe. That's obviously at the bottom of her unconscious (#8 "Demonic Personality"), as she does not really merge with the personal values of the environment around her; she tries to force her own [semi-conscious] values (inferior Fi) through impersonal control (dom. Te; including ordering the environment such as cooking, etc).
    Female STJ's often look a lot like Feelers.

    You say they're both the same type, but they are very different from each other. They are both EST "In Charge" Interaction Style, but Rache has more of a people-focus and light-and-airiness because of the P, where Raymond's mother is a strictly task-focused TJ who only uses people for her goals.


    ESTJs have the FEELING function as DEAD LAST. And its INTROVERTED. They are mostly emotionless, cold hearted, cruel. Most hours of the day. That is exactly how my ESTJ co-worker is. Marie Barone is full of FEELINGS inside of her. She can't help but be emotional, most of the time. So how can she be ESTJ? Still don't believe? Ok, another thing:

    ESTJs are good at what? Commanding their troops at work, getting the job done. They are WORK FORCE orientated. They want to LEAD their troops, their forces, right? You know I'm right. Where does Marie Barone work at? Oh, that's right, she does NOT work. She is ONLY a homemaker (The Guardian/Traditionalist). She has spent her entire life serving her family, loving them at all times. Catering to their every need with her EXTROVERTED FEELING. She is constantly expressing feelings everytime she opens her mouth. Unlike, my ESTJ co-worker who is mean, cruel at most times.

    The reason ESFJs come across as controlling, manipulitive is because like alot of ISFJ/ESFJs, she has the CRAZY/BI-POLAR thing going. She'll control you in a loving, caring, giving, catering way. A way that the ESTJ has NOT a single clue about it. If you'd like to see what I am talking about, watch this VIDEO:

    Pay very CLOSE attention to this VIDEO, especially at 2:05mins into it. Listen to what happens to ISFJs & ESFJs:

    http://youtu.be/46DE98XLeEo

    My ESFJ co-workers are middle-aged too. And they have that CRAZY/BI-POLAR thing going on. They want to get into
    everyone's business, they also want to be: THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. My ESFJ co-workers are BIG on this. They
    want other people to do stuff for them by forcing things upon them by using LOVE-MANIPULATION. Most ISFJ & ESFJs
    are good like this. This is what Marie Barone does ALL of the time. ESTJs do NOT use LOVE to manipulate you or others.
    They just COMMAND YOU TO DO IT, without any emotion. Marie Barone is NOT, I repeat not ESTJ. She is a loving, caring,
    manipulative ESFJ who is extremely bi-polar/crazy.

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    There's really only ONE "Sensation" function, and BOTH attitudes deal in "details" in taste, smell, appearance, and any other sensory faculty.

    Ti could have developed in you on time, but it was still immature, and while looking up to the things of Ti, I'll bet you were still easily intimidated by them (like if someone were to bombard you with a lot of impersonal technical details. I've noticed this with some INFJ's I've interacted with, including here). However, as you get older, it matures, and keeps maturing. So it wasn't mature enough to be into the coupons when you were younger, but in mid-life, then it developed that way. That's quite normal.

    Shadows do not work the way you are suggesting. The goal in maturity is to become more aware of the suppressed functional perspectives, but Si is still not going to become something you "use" like that.
    si is "Daimonic" for INFJ's. A perspective of stored concrete facts is not something you would normally pay attention to, because you have your introverted iNtuition to provide the internal template you use to filter information through. So it will come up when that complex is constallated, which is usually in dire stress, when the ego feels threatened with destruction. It then erupts in a very rash fashion. What happens in maturity, is you gain a little more control over it, and then it may become "transformative" (or an "angel"), because it is a whole new perspective you never considered before, to help in the situation (as you pretty much said). It's not about learning to "do" some new skill. You're making the common mistake of treating these functions like gears or skills, so you MUST "have" or "use" Si to care about coupons, so if you're INFJ, then what, you must be in "daimon" mode when shopping for deals. That makes no sense.

    Also, BTW, "shadow" to Quenk (Was That Me?) is the inferior function; not the "other four". That's Beebe's model (also adopted by Berens and a few others).

    Also, in conjunction with this, one function alone is not really the best to do everything by itself. So you're typing people by this rapid fire Ni process alone, but the other functions should not be neglected either (that's the whole purpose of type development), else, you have a very imbalanced perspective that is likely wrong.

    An ESTJ, as preferring Si as their main perception function, will often follow traditional ways, and for a FEMALE, (and in an older American generation at that), that is to be a good mother and housekeeper, and also to be more in touch with the more humane side of life (nurturing the family, etc). that we might associate with "Feeling". So Marie fits this excellently.

    Yet on the surface interaction level, she IS quite a "commanding" leader type. It's just that the cultural value system she follows does not allow her to do it in an organization outside the family.So she just does it WITHIN the family instead.
    And she's somewhat elderly, so inferior Fi is going to be very visible; hence, yes, a lot of Feelings. But still, they are not merged with the outside environment (like other people and their WISHES) ; it comples completely from within her, and subtracts from the environment as she tries to impose them on everyone else. She doesn't appear really "caring" at all; it's just a traditional "feminine" persona, that IMO, is easy to see right through.
    This again, is an immature function. It's different from dom. or aux. Fi. It's also "projective", so it does get projected onto everyone else; and that's precisely the "strong feeling" you're seeing engaging everyone.

    No type is bound to any "bi-polar" disorder like that. The video starts off saying good stuff you should pay attention to, like around 1:00, but then the disorder thing is grossly stereotypical.
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    Um: You were saying about Marie Barone being something other than ESFJ? Take a look at this translated document:

    http://translate.google.com/translat...ed=0CDIQ7gEwAg

    Please, stop using theory (thinking). Trust in your Intuition (Use the Force, see the patterns, connect the dots, grasp the big picture). I know you are
    INTP and have the opposite Intuition of me. But trust in it. Give your thinking side a rest. Let your Extroverted side guide you. The Intuition and Feeling sides of you. I am INFJ, intuition & feeling is what I am all about.

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