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    Nigella Lawson i have a hard time seeing ISFP though I hope she is. can you say something more about this?
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    I get ESFJ for Nigella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I get ESFJ for Nigella.
    seems more plausible, though I think she does well use fi
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    okay i watched more videos with Nigella Lawson. I don't know her that well but I think she's actually ENFJ!

    her style is 'proper' rather than 'personal' (Fe)
    she is a master of insinuation (N)
    she uses a lot of flowering verbiage (N)
    seems clearly extrovert (E)
    her points of reference are to cultural norms "celery, to me, is just a beautiful as a vase of flowers" (Fe)
    seems very concious of how her viewers will see her (Fe)

    now she does say a lot of things about being messy, giong without a script (P)
    but a lot of ENFJs i know are actually not that structured in their lives. its more in the manner they speak that shows them to be extroverted judgers; they like definiting things a lot. so does Nigella. and that's certainly not and ISFP trait.

    I'd love it if she was ISFP or ESFJ. I am actively looking for notable ESFJs and ISFPs. I just don't think she is either of those. i have already said why i don't think she's ISFP and for ESFJ, well she's just more "between the lines" than on them:

    letterman: "where does one get a fish like that?"
    lawson: "the sea"
    <implicit derogation points to N>
    <violation of SJ love of facts and details>

    lawson: "by cooking i actively learned that there was something to be said for mindless repetition - and that's why I took to TV" (not exact quote)
    <self irony points to N and/or P>
    <spinning the point like this likewise points to N or P>

    Also, would an ESFJ have such trouble with details, bills, cleaning etc. ?
    Would an ESFJ typicaly do "cooking with no rules" ?

    I'd be delighted if she *was* ESFJ, but is she? I dont think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    okay i watched more videos with Nigella Lawson. I don't know her that well but I think she's actually ENFJ!

    her style is 'proper' rather than 'personal' (Fe)
    she is a master of insinuation (N)
    she uses a lot of flowering verbiage (N)
    seems clearly extrovert (E)
    her points of reference are to cultural norms "celery, to me, is just a beautiful as a vase of flowers" (Fe)
    seems very concious of how her viewers will see her (Fe)

    now she does say a lot of things about being messy, giong without a script (P)
    but a lot of ENFJs i know are actually not that structured in their lives. its more in the manner they speak that shows them to be extroverted judgers; they like definiting things a lot. so does Nigella. and that's certainly not and ISFP trait.

    I'd love it if she was ISFP or ESFJ. I am actively looking for notable ESFJs and ISFPs. I just don't think she is either of those. i have already said why i don't think she's ISFP and for ESFJ, well she's just more "between the lines" than on them:

    letterman: "where does one get a fish like that?"
    lawson: "the sea"
    <implicit derogation points to N>
    <violation of SJ love of facts and details>

    lawson: "by cooking i actively learned that there was something to be said for mindless repetition - and that's why I took to TV" (not exact quote)
    <self irony points to N and/or P>
    <spinning the point like this likewise points to N or P>

    Also, would an ESFJ have such trouble with details, bills, cleaning etc. ?
    Would an ESFJ typicaly do "cooking with no rules" ?

    I'd be delighted if she *was* ESFJ, but is she? I dont think so.
    I am tickled by this discussion.

    I could go for ENFJ as well as ESFJ. I don't believe in the same markers that would make her N vs. S that you described in this post. N vs. S is one of hardest things for me to determine in a persons type but I see a ton of Si in her. And she's extroverted and a Feeler. That's all I know.

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    What about Geoffrey Zakarian, the new Iron Chef? I can't place anything for this guy. He seems like a ISFJ to me, but I'm not sure about anything except the J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    okay i watched more videos with Nigella Lawson. I don't know her that well but I think she's actually ENFJ!
    That is correct. And so as a reward for giving the correct answer I have uploaded a new video to YouTube:

    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

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    Default Gordon Ramsey as ESTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    My kind of topic.

    Gordon Ramsay: ENTJ
    Nigella Lawson: ISFP
    Jamie Oliver: ESFP
    Emeril Lagasse: ESTP
    Giada De Laurentiis: ESFJ
    Rachel Ray: ESFP
    Paula Deen: ESFJ
    Ina Garten: ISFJ
    Martha Stewart: ISFJ
    Wolfgang Puck: ESTP
    Anthony Bourdain: ENTP (his snarkiness throws me)
    Bobby Flay: ESTP
    Guy Fieri: ESTP
    Jacques Pepin: INFJ
    Julia Child: INFJ
    Justin Wilson: ESFJ
    Alton brown: INTP
    Mario batali: ENFJ
    Nigel slater: Not sure
    Thomas keller: Not sure
    Charley trotter: Not sure
    Morimoto: ESxP
    Martin Yan: ESxP
    Cat Cora: INTJ
    Duff-The Ace of Cakes guy: INFP
    Michael Chiarello: ISFP
    Robert Irvine: ESTJ




    Then you might prefer Sandra Lee - ESFJ
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    Hi there,
    INFJ/ToddHa here
    I agree with most of this. But there are a couple I do not agree with. Mainly Gordon Ramsey. He is not ENTJ.
    All of the ENTJs I know are HSP types (Highly Sensitive). Although ENTJs have weak/inferior Introverted Feeling (Fi).
    They are quite sensitive to others though their strong Introverted Intuition. Which is why there are alot of ENTJ HSP
    types. Also, ENTJs have Extroverted Sensing. Which is all about living in the moment and not caring about the past
    or the future. In order to cook really WELL. You need Introverted Sensing somewhere in your main function order.
    I'm not saying that you can NOT cook with Extroverted Sensing. But you are not likely to be a professional cook.

    Gordon Ramsey as ESTJ instead of ENTJ...
    All of the ESTJs I know are CRUEL, VICIOUS, COLD, CALIOUS types. Gordon Ramsey is cold, cruel, blunt, arrogant,
    mean. Does not give a f### about you if you violate his rules/teachings.

    Gordon Ramsey is NOT a HSP type. Which makes it likely he is NOT an ENTJ.
    He is also a CHEF, and has very strong DOMINATE Introverted Sensing. As alot of cooks/chefs have Si. Alot of the
    CHEFS/COOKS/JUDGES on Food Network have Introverted Sensing. As does CHEFs/COOKs on PBS's CreateTV channel.
    Look at America's Test Kitchen & Primal Grill. Good examples of ISTJ (America's Test Kitchen) and ISFJ (Primal Grill).
    Introverted Sensing is very tied to Food Tasters, Food Judgers (most judges in most fields), CHEFs, COOKs, etc.
    Introverted Sensing likes to store DETAILS about things that were taken in with the SENSING function (5-senses).
    Likes to store them away. And then use them sometime in the future to compare the present with the past.

    I think Rachael Ray is indeed a Introverted Sensing type as most cooks/chefs are. But I do not think she is ESFP.
    I lean towards possible ENFP. She is certainly Extroverted and I am sure she has Introverted Sensing. So either
    ESFJ or ENFP. I do not think ENTP (which has Introverted Sensing too ). Its not impossible. But she is extroverted with
    Introverted Sensing for sure, as most chefs, cooks & any judges (any career field).

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    Rachel Ray is an extraverted Sensing type (I would say cooking could be either introverted or extraverted Sensing), and while I used to say ESFP (Sanguine-Sanguine) for her, I came to realize she was a Choleric Sanguine, and a Thinking type.
    She puts on a friendly "girly" persona, but she's really not like that in person. She grew up with an Erector Set, and is very bossy.

    So ESTP makes perfect sense (Think Keirsey's "Promoters are men and women of action. When someone of this personality is present, things begin to happen: the lights come on, the music plays, the game begins."). Tertiary Fe, especially in a woman, will be very visible (hence, a lot of people say ESFJ). Cooking is a technical (impersonal) trade. In jr high or high school, cooking class is considered a "shop" just like metal, wood, machine or automotive shops. The fact that one leading cook, Alton Brown is INTP shows that Ti can come in handy for cooking. He gives more of "the science" of it, and since for her, it would be aux., plus she's an S, it won't come out that way (though she does give a little bit of that at times too). So with her, it's primarily the Se aspect of cooking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Rachel Ray is an extraverted Sensing type (I would say cooking could be either introverted or extraverted Sensing), and while I used to say ESFP (Sanguine-Sanguine) for her, I came to realize she was a Choleric Sanguine, and a Thinking type.
    She puts on a friendly "girly" persona, but she's really not like that in person. She grew up with an Erector Set, and is very bossy.

    So ESTP makes perfect sense (Think Keirsey's "Promoters are men and women of action. When someone of this personality is present, things begin to happen: the lights come on, the music plays, the game begins."). Tertiary Fe, especially in a woman, will be very visible (hence, a lot of people say ESFJ). Cooking is a technical (impersonal) trade. In jr high or high school, cooking class is considered a "shop" just like metal, wood, machine or automotive shops. The fact that one leading cook, Alton Brown is INTP shows that Ti can come in handy for cooking. He gives more of "the science" of it, and since for her, it would be aux., plus she's an S, it won't come out that way (though she does give a little bit of that at times too). So with her, it's primarily the Se aspect of cooking.
    Hi Eric,
    No disrespect. But I have to agree to disagree with you. Here's why:

    All of the SJ types are called: The Guardians or the Traditionalists. They
    believe in conforming to a system that is already in place and being apart
    of that system. The cooks, chefs, judges on Food Network and on the
    cooking shows of the PBS CreateTV network are mostly SJs. And being
    any SJ type means having Si (Introverted Sensing). Introverted Sensor
    types care about making sure what is in the present conforms to what
    they remember from the past. Cooking is one of the traditional/guardian
    ways to recreate something from the past into present.

    The majority of the population is SJ type, with SP coming in second.
    NF is 3rd with NT coming in dead last.

    Traits of Introverted Sensing types (SJ types):

    - Loves cooking amateur or professional (CHEF)
    - Loves to watch sports on TV or in a stadium/arena (However, hates participating)
    - Loves to compare past events taken in thru the 5-senses with what is current/present.
    - Loves to accumulate flashy objects/possessions for showing off (sounds Se, but is actually Si-Te-Ne combo)
    (SJ men like sporty/flashy cars that are usually older models vehicles to attract attention/mate)

    There are other types that have Si, but its much weaker in those outside of the SJ temperment:

    - INFP (Si is #3)
    - ENFP (Si is #4)
    - INTP (Si is #3)
    - ENTP (Si is #4)

    There are no Si types in the SP temperment. SPs are all Extroverted Sensor types. Extroverted
    Sensing is very different (Se):

    - Lives in the Moment (The Here -and- Now)
    - Does NOT care about the past or the future.
    - Lives in the great outdoors/everything outside
    - Loves PARTICIPATING in sports/outdoor activities. (not caring about WATCHING sports)
    - Likes to Gamble / Risk Taker / Takes Chances / Bends the Rules
    - 'Rules are just Guidelines'
    - Adventurous / Traveler
    - Likes to be UP close and personal (In Your Face mentality)
    - Can be Fearless
    - Likes outdoor hobbies
    - Likes exercising outdoors / bike rides / jogging-running / in the parks & trails

    *OASN* One weird little quirk I have noticed with ESTJs. Maybe its just the ones I know.
    They appear to have a Spontaneous side to them. A tiny little 'Living-In-The-Moment' in
    them. I think I know where its coming from. I think its their Extroverted Intuition (Ne).
    Even though ESTJs have Ne as their #3 function, which is weaker. I see it some of the time
    in my ESTJ co-worker (Who is NOT a supervisor/manager, thank god). She is so mean,
    vicious, calious, so Si dominate with NO nearly no feeling function. She can not improvise
    on anything. Everything has to be done by-the-book, and in sequence. If you violate that,
    watch out. She will: SNAP-YOU-OUT, per say. She gets under people's skin with her must
    do everything according to the posted guidelines at all times, and you will not deviate. Or risk her
    fury. This is why I am certain of Gordon Ramsey being ESTJ. Not ENTJ. I have an ENTJ boss.
    He is a good manager at my workplace. He is HSP (Highly Sensitive Person). He is to the point,
    cuts thru the chase, polite, soft spoken, understanding, willing to give to get. He is willing to bend
    the rules if it will result in more productivity. ESTJs will NOT bend the rules or allow the rules to
    be bent <period>. ESTJ's motto is: Conform to the System and get back to work.

    The ESTJ I work with. She is a vicious B****. Gordon Ramsey is a cruel, vicious B******.

    SJ types make the best homemakers, especially with the wife duties. Cooking. Cleaning.
    etc. They do have their place in society and working under an established system. I think
    it has everything to do with Si (Introverted Sensing). I think most female SJ types are the
    ones with the stronger FEELING side: ISFJ & ESFJ. This is typical of what I see at home
    and at work:

    - I have (2) ISFJ sister-in-laws
    - I have (1) ESFJ female co-worker
    - I have (1) ESTJ female co-worker (She is so hated by many)
    (I pray to god that my female ESTJ co-worker never becomes a supervisor/manager)

    Most of the male SJs are the ISTJ & ESTJ. Which is why women constantly tell the
    majority of men in our society: You men are JERKS!!!! SJs dominate society. And
    men dominate in the SJ catagory. So, there you go.

    I think Rachael Ray has Si. I personally think she is an ENFP rather than an ESFJ or
    ENTP. The ENTPs I know are skinny little twigs (body frame is very small, very tiny,
    very petite) with Si as the #4 function. My niece is an ENTP, she is the skinniest
    little thing. Rachael Ray has a nice more rounded body frame. I will not lean
    towards Si as the #4 weakest function in Rachael. So, she is not ENTP.

    Cooking is very dominate in Rachael. I think like-wise, Si is DOMINATE in her which
    would make her a Guardian/Traditionalist. A 'guardian' of the established system.
    Traditional type homemaker. She is Extroverted. And she has that strong female
    like quality of strong FEELING that seems extroverted too. So, I say ESFJ. As ESFJ
    she does have Ne as #3, so she can be Spontaneous with the weaker Extroverted
    Intuition just as my co-worker ESTJ shows. Ne can be spontaneous and
    'Living-in-the-Moment'-Like.

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