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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of her background. Voyager is one of my fave STs. But the way she flips out on Paris and pretty much everyone around her, doesn't point to an ESTJ.
    You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself. And on a side note.. my own mom too (But I'm serious about the resemblance...as far as fiction goes).

    I might agree with someone above about Paris being ESTP. If they're both T, he's a good contrast on being the type that uses Fe and likes to deflect and humor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself. And on a side note.. my own mom too (But I'm serious about the resemblance...as far as fiction goes).

    I might agree with Paris being ESTP. If they're both T, he's a good contrast on being the type that uses Fe and likes to deflect and humor people.
    Yeah, it's difficult to type her since she displays a "splitting" personality.

    Totally agree that Paris is an ESTP! Thrills, chills, Ti-ishness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Also I agree with Kdude is his typing of her as an ESTJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself.
    Well, that lasted only 5 minutes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Well, that lasted only 5 minutes.

    lol.. I'm just confused is all. Not waffling... yet.

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    I think Janeway might be ENTJ, but played by an ENFJ actress.

    Whatever she is, she makes every other captain look like a wuss.

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    Oh yeah, Janeway's ENTJ. Just watch the episode "Counterpoint".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I think Janeway might be ENTJ, but played by an ENFJ actress.

    Whatever she is, she makes every other captain look like a wuss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Oh yeah, Janeway's ENTJ. Just watch the episode "Counterpoint".
    Yes at times she exhibits ENTJ qualities. (The episode you mentioned is an example.)

    But most of the time she depends and implements traditional methods.
    And she does not display Ni (Ahaa! moments) at all.
    I would type her as an ESTJ.

    On the other hand John Luc Picard is a stereotypical ENTJ.
    He always always does something out of the box but smoothens the edges with Te.
    And also although he exhibits introversion he is not an INTJ.
    He is the captain of the ship and has to maintain a considerable amount of distance (emotional) from the crew.
    His younger days (episode - Tapestry I believe) is a perfect example of his ENTJ nature.
    Age has made him calmer, which could be mistaken to be introversion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    He is the captain of the ship and has to maintain a considerable amount of distance (emotional) from the crew.
    His distance is extreme, even for a Captain. He didn't join the senior staff poker game until at the end of the seventh season. Compare to Kirk (ESTP), Sisko (ESTJ), and Janeway (ENTJ), all of whom are very much involved with their crew and senior staff.

    His younger days (episode - Tapestry I believe) is a perfect example of his ENTJ nature.
    Age has made him calmer, which could be mistaken to be introversion.
    As an INTJ, I have to disagree with you. I, too, was sometimes a little brash and crazy like that when I was young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostwheel View Post
    As an INTJ, I have to disagree with you. I, too, was sometimes a little brash and crazy like that when I was young.
    The point you made is quite a good one since it is a real life example.
    I can't deny your behaviour nor can I speak for INTJs since I am not one.




    But I have some more points to make.
    His distance is extreme, even for a Captain. He didn't join the senior staff poker game until at the end of the seventh season..
    In that episode we are both discussing he was not only wild and crazy, he was a player. I know quite lot of INTJs (many of whom are my best friends) from RL, all of whom exhibit many traits not common to stereotypical INTJ descriptions but one thing they are stereotypical in is that none of them are players.John Luc Picard in his youth was pretty much a reckless, impulsive player.

    This could be due to a Te+Se loop. And obviously he has changed over time and has fallen to a Ni+Fi loop.

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    Compare to Kirk (ESTP), Sisko (ESTJ), and Janeway (ENTJ), all of whom are very much involved with their crew and senior staff
    Sisko -

    What ever his type is he is not an ESTJ. His father was surely a one. But not him. No no. He was surely feeling based.
    I guess all of us can agree on his J though.
    And most of the episodes he struggles with making decisions due to his emotions getting in the way. So that suggests F.
    And also his standards are internal based not external. That suggests I.
    (And he emotionally bonds with his crew as opposed to socially bonding shown by Janeway.)
    So for sisko I would believe IxFJ.

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