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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by the first sentence. She was a child actor like other Is have been. What exactly is it in her bio that belies Introversion?
    Not so many throw fits when they don't get parts, even as kids, in order to get the part. She used public displays, even as a child, to get her into things.

    I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence either. That she dresses provocatively?
    No, not that. She does a lot of things beside act. She's a rather... demonstrative person across the board. Modelling, working with bands... all sorts of stuff. Could an ISTP like this? It's possible, but not as likely in my mind.

    The problem is that one has to look at their inner world - friends, family and such, not at their public displays. That's really hard to do... but reading her bio on how she got her roles and what she does across the board strikes me as far more E than I.

    pt, do you know ISTP and ESTP women IRL for comparison and does she really strike you as resembling the latter the most?
    No ISTP females, but I work with a couple of ESTPs and reading her personal bio reads like their lives as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Not so many throw fits when they don't get parts, even as kids, in order to get the part. She used public displays, even as a child, to get her into things.
    Would you mind quoting specific tidbits (or just linking to the source) for this?

    Personally I'm a big fan of comparing observable behavior in interviews and other clips available on YouTube with that of people I know who are a certain type. I would really like to hear from someone who knows (other ) ISTP women and still does not recognize SJ as one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Would you mind quoting specific tidbits (or just linking to the source) for this?
    I think it was this bio here that talked about her early career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I think it was this bio here that talked about her early career.
    Thanks for the link. I agree that the fits and tantrums described in these quotes...

    The audition went fairly well, the agents being quite keen on elder brother Adrian, but the other children were deemed surplus to requirements. It was about what Melanie had expected. What she certainly didn't expect, though, was the reaction of her youngest daughter, Scarlett, who went into hysterical fits right there in the office. It wasn't so much that Adrian had been chosen above her, or even that Adrian had been chosen despite not caring if he were chosen or not. It was that, even at the age of 7, she so desperately wanted to make it in TV and films.
    Scarlett gave up ballet and began the long, painful round of auditions for commercials. Often advertisers would not make it plain what kind of character they were seeking, leaving the likes of Scarlett to sit around for hours only to discover a small Chinese boy was required. When called upon at all, she tried too hard to sell herself, consequently putting potential employers off. She did not react well to this serial rejection and the thwarting of her precocious dreams. After one particularly fraught tantrum on the subway, Melanie decided they would from now on only search for film roles.
    ...don't scream that she's ISTP, but I don't see them as a definitive argument against it either. My SO's ISTP kid brother (14 years his junior) would go into hysterics up until age 11 (!) whenever my SO would have to leave after spending a week with him and their mother. Granted, due to his past he had reason to react strongly to a father figure leaving, but the point is that if ISTP kids get upset enough, then they aren't able to hide it. From the rest of the bio it is clear that SJ was driven to act from a young age, so I don't view it as impossible that she would become upset enough at not getting to do it to cry in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    ...don't scream that she's ISTP, but I don't see them as a definitive argument against it either.
    Yah, I'm trying to be difficult, but I couldn't argue with the important bits - STP... so I'm picking on the E

    The E/I is very hard to define though because we can't see her interaction with others easily, on the characters and stuff that gets reported. I would vote for ESTP over ISTP based upon the overall impression I got from her... but that's hardly definitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Yah, I'm trying to be difficult, but I couldn't argue with the important bits - STP... so I'm picking on the E


    I do appreciate having my typings sensibly challenged, so thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    The E/I is very hard to define though because we can't see her interaction with others easily, on the characters and stuff that gets reported. I would vote for ESTP over ISTP based upon the overall impression I got from her... but that's hardly definitive.
    Yes, only I am allowed to make "arguments from authority" around here.

    ("Ha ha, my life experience is better / more accurate than your life experience -- just because it is! Ha ha!")

    I still lean "I," but I accept your objections as ones that need to be explored, especially regarding the tapestry and behavior of her early life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ("Ha ha, my life experience is better / more accurate than your life experience -- just because it is! Ha ha!")
    I don't know what I'll do once people figure out that the way to sabotage my typings is to pretend to be speaking from personal recognition/experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I still lean "I," but I accept your objections as ones that need to be explored, especially regarding the tapestry and behavior of her early life.
    Why, I do believe that sounds like...

    MORE DATA!

    I'm just saying...

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