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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Sorry, no. I can't really imagine Pertwee or Hartnell speaking like that. They were scientists.
    Hartnell and Pertwee also didn't enjoy interaction with humans nearly as much as Ten. Hartnell in particular saw humans with something approaching disdain, being a rather grumpy old fuck. Pertwee, while nowhere near as grumpy, still isolated himself from humanity. He felt little need to explain things unless necessary, let alone in terms people would understand. Indeed, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart often told Pertwee to translate his technobabble into plain English. Notice that neither of them is nearly as Fe as Ten, Pertwee's Doctor being Fe-inferior (ISTP) and Hartnell's lacking any Fe whatsoever (INTJ).

    And there's my point again. Just because you wouldn't behave a certain way doesn't meant that it's not Fi. Not everything in Fi is defined by what you would do.
    Question dodge. Empathy and sympathy are a part of Fe's definition. Fi is more internal, rooted in internally held values.

    Give me a break. I know plenty of smart and intelligent people that can't think on their feet. Ti doms, for example, need time and space to think. ENTPs are known for brainstorming quickly. That's just what we do.
    The very definition you cited debunks you. It mentions nothing about thinking on one's feet, but rather envisioning many possibilities and interpreting facts that are not readily apparent. Se-dominants can think on their feet for example, athletes do it all the time.

    I beg to differ. The Master is ENTJ. The evil overlord. And guess what ENTJs use? That's right, Fi.
    That is... precisely what I just said (Simm's Master is ENTJ, thus Fi-inferior in contrast to the heroic Fe Doctor), thanks for reinforcing my argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    jeno I just wanted to say I miss you. I figured I'd post it here as this is the only thread you seem to post on in a regular fashion.

    I would like to say however that as my intj boyfriend and I was were watching movies and chatting about books, I discovered I am morally offended by time travel.

    It's like you and the sloths-there is just something wrong and creepy about messing with timelines for me. It is an Fi principal it appears.

    Thus I have nothing of value to contribute to this thread-except hugs! yeah I guess boy enfp can have a hug too, but nothing like your hug...

    *skips out of the creepy time travel thread*

    bye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Awww, I you!!! (up until you mentioned the sloths, that is )

    No need to miss me, girl - just send me a PM and I'll be back in a flash.

    (and what INTJ boyfriend???)
    typing up that PM in just a moment....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Hartnell and Pertwee also didn't enjoy interaction with humans nearly as much as Ten. Hartnell in particular saw humans with something approaching disdain, being a rather grumpy old fuck. Pertwee, while nowhere near as grumpy, still isolated himself from humanity. He felt little need to explain things unless necessary, let alone in terms people would understand. Indeed, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart often told Pertwee to translate his technobabble into plain English.


    Question dodge. Empathy and sympathy are a part of Fe's definition. Fi is more internal, rooted in internally held values.


    The very definition you cited debunks you. It mentions nothing about thinking on one's feet, but rather envisioning many possibilities and interpreting facts that are not readily apparent. Se-dominants can think on their feet for example, athletes do it all the time.


    That is... precisely what I just said (Simm's Master is ENTJ, thus Fi-inferior in contrast to the heroic Fe Doctor), thanks for reinforcing my argument.
    I don't have time to go point by point right now, but I will when I get home later... what I want to say right now is that you are talking in circular references and not being specific or coherent. I KNOW that the Doctor uses Fe. I'm arguing that TENNANT's Doctor uses Fi. Aderack is arguing the same thing. We are stating that Tennant's Doctor is ENFP and that the Doctor overall is ENTP.

    And nothing I quoted debunks me and no questions were dodged. Go back in both threads and see exactly how many points that me and Aderack have made that you have flat out ignored, and then tell me who is dodging what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't have time to go point by point right now, but I will when I get home later... what I want to say right now is that you are talking in circular references and not being specific or coherent. I KNOW that the Doctor uses Fe. I'm arguing that TENNANT's Doctor uses Fi. Aderack is arguing the same thing. We are stating that Tennant's Doctor is ENFP and that the Doctor overall is ENTP.
    What the other Doctors were is irrelevant at this point. The case I am making is that the Tennant Doctor (as opposed to any other Doctor) is Fe. You, once again, fail at reading comprehension.
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    Why is it irrelevant? Since when has it been irrelevant - that's what we were talking about. You can't change the rules mid-game.

    And you can tuck your bravado back into your pants. Mine is definitely bigger than yours.

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    The Doctor's ENTP. Even in the new series, where they've pretty much ruined his character, he's still ENTP. That much they really didn't change.

    LOL @ at the idea of the 4th Doctor being F. Go back and watch Pyramids of Mars or Planet of Evil or The Invasion Of Time or The Seeds of Doom or etc etc etc..

    The Doctor's always thinking. He often has to be reminded to feel. Just because some of his incarnations seem friendlier than others doesn't change that. When he acts on instinct, that's when humans usually don't like him, because he's not nearly as nice.

    Aleksei, you paint a very limited picture of Hartnell too. Very early on, he seemed to have some disdain for humans (though it was really more disdain for anyone he perceived to be too primitive) but that softened tremendously as his time went on. By the end of the Hartnell era, the Doctor had been a crusader for human causes for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Why is it irrelevant? Since when has it been irrelevant - that's what we were talking about.
    We were talking about Ten, whom is very obviously your focal point of contention. Now let's see how I'm wrong (I'm not but still).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    The Doctor's ENTP. Even in the new series, where they've pretty much ruined his character, he's still ENTP. That much they really didn't change.
    So... a man who plans shit out for millenia like Seven is an ENTP? Good to know.

    LOL @ at the idea of the 4th Doctor being F. Go back and watch Pyramids of Mars or Planet of Evil or The Invasion Of Time or The Seeds of Doom or etc etc etc..
    One- I just mentioned that the Doctor is overall INTP because he displays Ti-Ne even in incarnations that display other functions that otherwise don't fit. Two- Four displays marked amounts of Te in addition to the ever-present Ti (as well as Fi rather than Fe), which is the tertiary ENFP function.

    The Doctor's always thinking. He often has to be reminded to feel. Just because some of his incarnations seem friendlier than others doesn't change that. When he acts on instinct, that's when humans usually don't like him, because he's not nearly as nice.
    Spurious. ENFPs can think, we have a tertiary Thinking function. If you don't believe me, take a look at all the Te oozing out of damn near every post I've made here. He's still an Fi-auxiliary overall, displaying far more Fi than he does Fe. He can be a downright selfish git at times, but is filled with moralistic fervor as seen in his tirades against tyranny (if you're referring to Four here, that is).

    Aleksei, you paint a very limited picture of Hartnell too. Very early on, he seemed to have some disdain for humans (though it was really more disdain for anyone he perceived to be too primitive) but that softened tremendously as his time went on. By the end of the Hartnell era, the Doctor had been a crusader for human causes for some time.
    One only truly softened up towards his companions, not towards the outside world as a whole. While he did indeed become a very grandfatherly figure, he still seemed to prefer isolation from those "inferior" and "annoying" humans. He only seemed to actually start to champion human worth with Two, and even that wasn't complete until Three (though he was less so than Four, what with Three's annoyance at many human tendencies). The only absolutely pro-human Doctors would be Five (INFP), Eight (INFJ), and Ten (ENTP), however - Eleven remains to be seen, but he seems to be more alien in nature than Ten ever was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Spurious. ENFPs can think, we have a tertiary Thinking function.
    This goes without saying, everyone thinks. But to make it seem like ENTPs can't plan or whatever you were trying to assert is ridiculous. Do you even know any ENTPs?

    If you don't believe me, take a look at all the Te oozing out of damn near every post I've made here.


    This line was enough to make me stop and realize how ridiculous this conversation is. I don't think you thoroughly understand what the functions are and how they operate. Ok fine, who cares? You seem set on The Doctor being what you want him to be. Fine, great. Go in peace. See ya!

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