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    How they implement those will be logical
    How did Hermione's implementation of her plans strike you as being more logical than emoitonal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    It was for the betterment of humanity, but I would see an INFJ and INTJ going about it differently.

    An INFJ would've felt terrible about using people the way Dumbledore did. And yet, when Dumbledore talked about the way he had been manipulating everyone and stringing people along in Deathly Hallows, he seemed quite indifferent. Or maybe that's just my memory failing me.
    Not every single one of his actions was Ni Fe based. He probably could have had some INTP-like plans, but if you take a step back and see why he did it, and the passion that he radiated with every single moment through it, it can lead to an INFJ.

    Types don't have that much power over a person. We can do things that are irrational to our preferences. This was on such a larger scale, that of course his type wouldn't show clearly through the troubles effacing everyone in DH.
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    Well thanks for clarifying nothing. I expect most quotes that anyone digs up regarding Hermione's "emotionality" will be equally as helpful. This is a matter of interpretation, not of simply digging to find the answer in the book.
    We need something to interpret, don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Well thanks for clarifying nothing. I expect most quotes that anyone digs up regarding Hermione's "emotionality" will be equally as helpful. This is a matter of interpretation, not of simply digging to find the answer in the book.
    Yes, there is no one right answer or truth. However, what makes literary debates intriguing is deciding which interpretation has the best support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    How did Hermione's implementation of her plans strike you as being more logical than emoitonal?
    Ugh, like you I'm having a hard time remembering specifics. I don't see anything about it that wasn't logical though. She started knitting them clothing (because clothing is a symbol of their freedom, not to keep them warm and toasty or anything), she tried to raise awareness and support for the cause with badges and by talking about it. That is frequently how one would attempt to implement such a campaign, right?
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    and the passion that he radiated with every single moment through it, it can lead to an INFJ.
    It could've also led to a VERY well-developed tertiary Fi. And I think we've already established that Dumbledore's Fi was, indeed, spectacularly well-developed.

    Dumbledore showed VERY strong F and VERY strong T. That's undeniable. The questions is, what makes you so sure that the F took precedence over the T?

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    Maybe, but Hermione was a very emotional-oriented girl. She was strict with herself and a stickler for rules through the first few books, but her emotional instability and passion was clear as day especially into the last book. She didn't really find a lot of logic in Harry and what he did, but she stayed by his side, hardly questioning his motives, and risked her life numerous times in his name. To me, it seems like a clear INFJ thing to do. An INTJ would seem to have a harder time leaving school to run around with a friend with no clear plan or anything.

    And I think Hermione is the definition of Fe. Seriously, how does she not show a hair of Fe?
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    She started knitting them clothing (because clothing is a symbol of their freedom, not to keep them warm and toasty or anything)
    That's Fe right there. Creating some kind of symbol or metaphor to represent an emotional value like freedom is Fe.

    she tried to raise awareness and support for the cause with badges and by talking about it. That is frequently how one would attempt to implement such a campaign, right?
    It is how one would implement such a campaign. I would think that an F and a T alike would be able to look at a campaign like that and realize that the most effective way to carry it out would be to make sure that as many people as possible know about it. The archetypal Fe-leaders like MLK and Gandhi tried their best to spread their message far and wide. So, I don't think raising awareness can indicate a preference for either F or T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    It could've also led to a VERY well-developed tertiary Fi. And I think we've already established that Dumbledore's Fi was, indeed, spectacularly well-developed.

    Dumbledore showed VERY strong F and VERY strong T. That's undeniable. The questions is, what makes you so sure that the F took precedence over the T?
    What makes you think the T took precedence over the F? Dumbeldore was over 100 years old, and perhaps one of the most wise figures I have read in any piece of literature (maybe even more than Gandalf). I think it's safe to say he was a J, as he was organized with his plans and an amazing schemer. Not saying INTPs don't have this ability, but Dumbeldore would have gotten so side tracked with Harry during their discussions.

    Dumbeldore would have had many experiences and years to prim up each of his functions, it makes him who he is, but underneath, I personally see him as an INFJ, a pure perfectionist with one tiny thorn. But I won't rule out what you think, for the reasons given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    That's Fe right there. Creating some kind of symbol or metaphor to represent an emotional value like freedom is Fe.


    It is how one would implement such a campaign. I would think that an F and a T alike would be able to look at a campaign like that and realize that the most effective way to carry it out would be to make sure that as many people as possible know about it. The archetypal Fe-leaders like MLK and Gandhi tried their best to spread their message far and wide. So, I don't think raising awareness can indicate a preference for either F or T.
    I concur.
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