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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    My vote is INTP. I contrast him with Luna, whom I consider to be INFP. He lacks the floaty, ethereal quality Luna has, and comes across as a picked-on nerd who eventually finds his niche with herbology.


    Ok well, my reasoning for leaning towards ISFJ for Neville is the loyalty he displays towards his friends and general reluctance he has towards sticking up for himself. While this could also be an INTP trait, it seems more predominately the behavior of a young and overly sheltered ISFJ to me. He also shows little aptitude for potions which seems to be a highly theoretical subject. Hm, no well I suppose sent it would be taught in a classroom I could see it being more regimented and exacting.

    And I suppose that his inferior Fe could push up out of his control and cause him to be ridiculously nervous which could cause a potential disconnect between his brain and his body. Yeah I suppose an ISFJ would probably have that more under control, and they would probably be better able to follow the precise and detail oriented curricula that teaching the bare basics the practical aspect of potions.

    And the Neville in the books always seems to give off that detatched and yet slightly frantic air that I would theorize would be more prevalent amonst Ti-doms, especially when paired with Ne. And his near mastery of Herbology, something of interest to him, also is a point towards INTP... Ok you convinced me I change my mind, I would type Neville as an INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    Ok well, my reasoning for leaning towards ISFJ for Neville is the loyalty he displays towards his friends and general reluctance he has towards sticking up for himself. While this could also be an INTP trait, it seems more predominately the behavior of a young and overly sheltered ISFJ to me. He also shows little aptitude for potions which seems to be a highly theoretical subject. Hm, no well I suppose sent it would be taught in a classroom I could see it being more regimented and exacting.

    And I suppose that his inferior Fe could push up out of his control and cause him to be ridiculously nervous which could cause a potential disconnect between his brain and his body. Yeah I suppose an ISFJ would probably have that more under control, and they would probably be better able to follow the precise and detail oriented curricula that teaching the bare basics the practical aspect of potions.

    And the Neville in the books always seems to give off that detatched and yet slightly frantic air that I would theorize would be more prevalent amonst Ti-doms, especially when paired with Ne. And his near mastery of Herbology, something of interest to him, also is a point towards INTP... Ok you convinced me I change my mind, I would type Neville as an INTP.
    Yes, INTPs can roll with quite alot until it crosses some line, often a manifestation of inf Fe, which might manifest as loyalty to friends. As for potions, INTPs won't excel at subjects they don't like because they just won't bother*. It doesn't help that the professor hates him. A TJ might work extra hard just to spite Snape, or prove he can do it. Just look at Hermione. Once Neville discovers herbology, though, we can see his true INTP dedication to something that interests him. According to the book 7 epilogue, he eventually returns to Hogwarts to teach herbology.

    I made a demotivator poster once showing Neville sitting at a table with his tools and some exotic plant. The caption was: "Potions? That's an engineering problem." INTPs often to prefer theory or knowledge for its own sake to applied knowledge.
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    But why INFP for Luna? She doesnt necessarily seem to be striving towards any particular cause. Although her beliefs seem to come accross as fantasical and gushy, she seems to be able to support them rationally, or at least in her own twisted otherworldly way.

    Although she does, if I remember correctly, have her beliefs challenged by Hermione at some point and at that point I believe she does lash out, couldn't that just be Fe? Could hers possibly be more developed than Nevilles since she is female and there would be more of a push for her to develop it?

    I suppose it is all a matter of if she incorporates her beliefs as a part of herself and reacts with Fi towards percieved 'attack' on her 'character', or if she holds them distantly from herself and just believes Hermiones scepticism to be closed mindedness that frusterates her in the moment.

    Could Fi twist logic, do you think that she is just trying to justify her Fi through her Te?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    Ok well, my reasoning for leaning towards ISFJ for Neville is the loyalty he displays towards his friends and general reluctance he has towards sticking up for himself. While this could also be an INTP trait, it seems more predominately the behavior of a young and overly sheltered ISFJ to me. He also shows little aptitude for potions which seems to be a highly theoretical subject. Hm, no well I suppose sent it would be taught in a classroom I could see it being more regimented and exacting.

    And I suppose that his inferior Fe could push up out of his control and cause him to be ridiculously nervous which could cause a potential disconnect between his brain and his body. Yeah I suppose an ISFJ would probably have that more under control, and they would probably be better able to follow the precise and detail oriented curricula that teaching the bare basics the practical aspect of potions.

    And the Neville in the books always seems to give off that detatched and yet slightly frantic air that I would theorize would be more prevalent amonst Ti-doms, especially when paired with Ne. And his near mastery of Herbology, something of interest to him, also is a point towards INTP... Ok you convinced me I change my mind, I would type Neville as an INTP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Yes, INTPs can roll with quite alot until it crosses some line, often a manifestation of inf Fe, which might manifest as loyalty to friends. As for potions, INTPs won't excel at subjects they don't like because they just won't bother*. It doesn't help that the professor hates him. A TJ might work extra hard just to spite Snape, or prove he can do it. Just look at Hermione. Once Neville discovers herbology, though, we can see his true INTP dedication to something that interests him. According to the book 7 epilogue, he eventually returns to Hogwarts to teach herbology.

    I made a demotivator poster once showing Neville sitting at a table with his tools and some exotic plant. The caption was: "Potions? That's an engineering problem." INTPs often to prefer theory or knowledge for its own sake to applied knowledge.
    I still think ISFJ makes more sense. He doesn't have the cool, rational, and detatched nature of most INTP's. He seems more emotionally driven. I don't think his interest in herbology necessarily points to INTP. It is the study of plants and herbs which probably isn't very theoretical. I think that ISFJ, the nurturing type would be very likely to be interested in something like that. I'm not saying INTP, or any other type is impossible. I just feel ISFJ is a better fit.

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    Wouldn't Harry be INFP, not ISxP, you keep forgetting he's a magical fantasy hero, why do you think he's ISxP? I see Si in him, and more Ne.
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    Harry - ISFP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    But why INFP for Luna? She doesnt necessarily seem to be striving towards any particular cause. Although her beliefs seem to come accross as fantasical and gushy, she seems to be able to support them rationally, or at least in her own twisted otherworldly way.

    Although she does, if I remember correctly, have her beliefs challenged by Hermione at some point and at that point I believe she does lash out, couldn't that just be Fe? Could hers possibly be more developed than Nevilles since she is female and there would be more of a push for her to develop it?

    I suppose it is all a matter of if she incorporates her beliefs as a part of herself and reacts with Fi towards percieved 'attack' on her 'character', or if she holds them distantly from herself and just believes Hermiones scepticism to be closed mindedness that frusterates her in the moment.

    Could Fi twist logic, do you think that she is just trying to justify her Fi through her Te?
    It could be. I see INFJ as the type that would strive toward a cause. INFPs change the world more by being than by doing. Not that they are passive or disengaged, but they are more like the guru on the mountaintop spreading peace and wisdom than the crusader riding to battle to promote his/her values.

    Quote Originally Posted by One1000 View Post
    I still think ISFJ makes more sense. He doesn't have the cool, rational, and detatched nature of most INTP's. He seems more emotionally driven. I don't think his interest in herbology necessarily points to INTP. It is the study of plants and herbs which probably isn't very theoretical. I think that ISFJ, the nurturing type would be very likely to be interested in something like that. I'm not saying INTP, or any other type is impossible. I just feel ISFJ is a better fit.
    Neville is definitely not a J. He also doesn't have the inclination to react in the moment as Harry does (which is part of why Harry is ISFP rather than INFP). I suppose he could be INFP, but he lacks the dreamy, otherworldly quality INFPs often have, like Luna.

    It's not important that herbology is what Neville likes to study, but rather that he likes to study something for its own sake rather than for how one can usefully apply it. It could be any subject, and need not be those on the theoretical end of the spectrum. I know plenty of INTP engineers (my SO is one), as well as scientists focused on theory and modelling who are TJs or even FJs.

    Quote Originally Posted by INFPtheQuietOne View Post
    Wouldn't Harry be INFP, not ISxP, you keep forgetting he's a magical fantasy hero, why do you think he's ISxP? I see Si in him, and more Ne.
    Harry has the SP tendency to react quickly, in the moment, and to prefer this (and perhaps even do better at it) over methodical planning or doing things the way they have always been done. His inherent skill at quidditch is almost a metaphor for how he approaches life - in the moment, taking in all the sensory stimuli around, and flying by the seat of his pants. Sometimes this is just what is necessary. The rest of the time, it is good that he has folks like Hermione on his side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It could be. I see INFJ as the type that would strive toward a cause. INFPs change the world more by being than by doing. Not that they are passive or disengaged, but they are more like the guru on the mountaintop spreading peace and wisdom than the crusader riding to battle to promote his/her values.
    Luna is difficult to type. I might lean farther towards INFP- as that defensiveness of what she holds inseparable to herself- her Fi values- is backed up through the usage of automated and only partially controlled- lesser developed Te.

    Harry has the SP tendency to react quickly, in the moment, and to prefer this (and perhaps even do better at it) over methodical planning or doing things the way they have always been done. His inherent skill at quidditch is almost a metaphor for how he approaches life - in the moment, taking in all the sensory stimuli around, and flying by the seat of his pants. Sometimes this is just what is necessary. The rest of the time, it is good that he has folks like Hermione on his side.
    Harry is very clearly ISFP. You don't see hardly any, if any at all, abstract analysis from him- the only time that anything even approaching the sort to be considered as such are when he is either spurred by his friends, or in which he feels there is a necessary and immediate purpose in figuring out something- gathering more real world evidence towards something(se), to support something that he has already contructed in his mind(ni) because it stimulated a potential threat to one of his core values(fi). Throughout much of the first few books, because they were written in a lighter way to attract a wider and less invested audience, the reader sees extremely heavy Se- which is used to develop an immediate connection with someone who will immediately unlock it and support it in a way compatable with the setting of the story- the extroverted complement to Harry(Ron, ESFP), who is there so that Harry can be developed beyond his (se), while still moving the story foreward. And Hermione(ESTJ), who is there to be the epitome of structure- another crutch for both the story and him.

    You see more of Harry developing outside his friends as the story goes foreward and he ages. As his friends start dating, and the dynamics of the relationship changes, Harry is forced to rely on himself to develop those characteristics that he had repressed. Leading to all that anger in 5th year. As a 9w8 sx/so (I think)- it sort of makes sense.

    There is the whole being able to react in the moment thing, what you said about Quidditch... Yes.

    James Potter was also good at Quidditch, most type him as an ENTP, but I don't know for sure. I would say that Sirius Black is an Ne dom, probably a 7, who because he is so unhealthy has associated to become a cynical and slightly nihilistic 5- focusing and refocusing on the aspects of his youth, and recreating them- but because of 5's influence, they now have slightly darker associations. So anyways, if Sirius Black is an ENTP, then it might be that he was the one who primarily came up with the more Ne aspects of the marauders hogwarts days, and that James Potter is wholly misunderstood and that the Se might not fall far from the tree. But we really don't see much of him so it is difficult to be sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    James Potter was also good at Quidditch, most type him as an ENTP, but I don't know for sure. I would say that Sirius Black is an Ne dom, probably a 7, who because he is so unhealthy has associated to become a cynical and slightly nihilistic 5- focusing and refocusing on the aspects of his youth, and recreating them- but because of 5's influence, they now have slightly darker associations. So anyways, if Sirius Black is an ENTP, then it might be that he was the one who primarily came up with the more Ne aspects of the marauders hogwarts days, and that James Potter is wholly misunderstood and that the Se might not fall far from the tree. But we really don't see much of him so it is difficult to be sure.
    I don't know about James, but I always saw Sirius as ESTP. The Weasley twins are the ENTPs (or perhaps an ENTP and an ENFP).
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    I'm pretty sure it goes like this (not 100%, just what I've concluded from my research and reading the series like 6 times)

    Harry: ISFJ
    Hermione: ISTJ
    Ron: ESFP
    Dumbledore: INTP
    Snape: INTJ
    Luna: INFP
    Neville: INFP
    Malfoy: ESTP
    Weasley Twins: ENTP
    Ginny: ESTP/ESFP not sure.
    Voldemort: ENTJ
    McGonagall: ESTJ
    Hagrid: ISFP
    Sirius: ENTP
    James: ESTP
    Lily: INFJ
    Lupin: INFJ/INFP not sure?? I feel like he never really was "fighting for a cause" like INFJs tend to do. He kinda was just minding his own business most of the time.
    Ollivander: INTP
    Lockhart: ESFJ
    Slughorn: ESTJ

    Anyone feel free to prove me wrong or ask questions

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