# Thread: Harry Potter and MBTI

1. Originally Posted by Little_Sticks
Aleksei, Curzon's using logic to show you can't deduce anything from your logic. He's following it trying to show you that your logic doesn't prove a thing. Not that you are necessarily wrong. Just that you need a more conclusive logical argument to firmly determine ESTP from the set of MBTI function/type basic rules.

If Harry Potter is healthy AND unselfish AND heroic.
1. He uses Fe because Fe is unselfish and heroic.

If Harry Potter is unhealthy AND selfish AND unheroic.
2. He uses Fi because it is selfish when unhealthy.

Conclusion: Since he is deemed healthy AND unselfish AND heroic, then he must use Fe.

The Logical Problem:
You don't address what healthy Fi looks like or what unhealthy Fe looks like and you apply negative properties (being selfish and unheroic) to unhealthy Fi, but don't address the negative properties of Fe. Since you left out all that information, your conclusion is half-baked and inconclusive because it does not even attempt to cover all or at least most of the possibilities. That's all. Nothing personal.
this brings up a good question... isn't Alexsei a Fi person?

2. Originally Posted by Little_Sticks
Aleksei, Curzon's using logic to show you can't deduce anything from your logic. He's following it trying to show you that your logic doesn't prove a thing. Not that you are necessarily wrong. Just that you need a more conclusive logical argument to firmly determine ESTP from the set of MBTI function/type basic rules.
No, he actually thinks I argued harry is selfish and unhealthy.

The Logical Problem:
You don't address what healthy Fi looks like or what unhealthy Fe looks like and you apply negative properties (being selfish and unheroic) to unhealthy Fi, but don't address the negative properties of Fe. Since you left out all that information, your conclusion is half-baked and inconclusive because it does not even attempt to cover all or at least most of the possibilities. That's all. Nothing personal.
Good catch, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly enough.

He can't be Fi, not because he isn't egotistical, but rather because he shows little indication of being driven by internal values at all. There is no ideological bent to his pursuit of Voldemort, or any other monster he fights throughout the series, no selectiveness, no wondering about what the right thing is. All he displays is an impulse to save everyone he encounters from harm; in contrast to the Fi-using Ron and Hermione, who only follow him (semi-reluctantly) in his adventures because they are his friends. In sharp contrast, especially, to Hermione's own Fi-driven independent stab at heroism; her Elf liberation cause. She was completely stubborn about it, and refused to acknowledge the very evident fact that house-elves don't want to be freed, a fact that Harry picked up right away and so did Ron, but Ron in particular just didn't give a shit either way. He just wanted a tasty meal.

3. Originally Posted by whatever
this brings up a good question... isn't Alexsei a Fi person?

4. Originally Posted by Curzon
I would have written this before you did. but now my fingers hurt from typing.
If only you were actually capable of an argument that good.

5. just saying....

6. Yes, I'm Fi/Te. Not sure how that's relevant to the discussion.

7. I can see some STP, but I dont want to claim him as an STP bretheren and I dont know why, I just dont I guess I dont feel like it, my intuition says it cant be right, the visions in my head wont show a clear picture, and the voices are yelling at me.

8. because he's ISFP..... maybe that's why.
haha, just giving you a hard time. I could potentially buy ISTP. 20% ISTP vs. 80% ISFP.

9. Originally Posted by poki
I can see some STP, but I dont want to claim him as an STP bretheren and I dont know why, I just dont I guess I dont feel like it, my intuition says it cant be right, the visions in my head wont show a clear picture, and the voices are yelling at me.
I understand... my people sense tells me NO WAY IN HELL IS HE AN ESTP!!! :horor:

it doesn't FEEL right at all... and I'm used to reading people

10. I don't think enough credit is being given to the differences in NeFi and SeFi. SeFi doesn't ruminate in feelings and theorize like NeFi does. Typically, they are more likely to feel them and act on them.

Also, just because Fi is based on internal standards does not mean they are incapable of empathizing with others and fighting for them. On the contrary, provided healthy development, Fi knows how people work internallywhich can give them great ability to empathize. This is how Fi bases their standards and, again barring immaturity, not on whatever they feel changing with every blow of the wind. Harry would have great experience with being wrongfully controlled. It does not seem unlikely he would have values against people being hurt or a force of evil gaining control, because he knows so well what that feels like.

Fe does not hold a monopoly on politeness. Unhealthy Fe is self serving and manipulative.

Yes, unhealthy Fi is ego reinforcing, but healthy Fi discerns between personal feelings and emotions and looks into universal human values.

I don't really have an opinion on what Harry is, I just don't think the case against ISFP is accurate.

It's all to the individual. No doubt some ISFPs would put themselves before others. I roomed with an ISFP and she was courteous as the expense of herself. I'm vey sure she was not ISFJ, not a hint of Si or Fe to be seen anywhere near her.

Also, Fe in the tertiary position is not like dominant Fe. It serves the first two functions, and generally (not always) makes the ETP good at speaking with people or, channeled to the ego, good at manipulating people. IFf you've ever heard an ETP with a silver tongue, that's terFe at work.