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    Does anyone else agree that Harry is INFJ and Dumbledore is INFP?
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    "Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ stubborness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions."

    Harry is usually stubborn in his viewpoints - often ignoring Hermione's and Dumbledore's judgment. This is evident in Harry's instinctual distrust of certain individuals (e.g. Snape).


    I think most types are capable of digging their heels in about things they believe sufficiently in (which would vary) but at any rate, I've always had the impression that Harry's 'gut instinct' is more of an Fi dom than an Ni dom thing.



    Also, Dumbledore's pretty INJ, i think, which are capable of marshalling their own idealistic 'change the world' cause, should it strike the fancy. And Dumbledore has a sort of 'certain' air to him, a decided sort of take on things -- he knows what he thinks/ feels about something/ someone and sticks to that. I don't really see a very open-ended Ne in him.

    Actually, this has probably been discussed to death, but I -still- can't quite tell if Dumbledore's an INFJ or INTJ...

    (decides to read the other pages in this thread later :))
    (edit: has read threads and has come to the conclusion that one needs the books... haha.)
    Last edited by elehci; 02-16-2010 at 12:45 PM. Reason: follow-up

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    I somehow deleted my first most thoughtful post, I think, but here's another version: Hermione is an INFJ, for certain, in my mind, especially in the books. Only an NF would create and make her life's work an anti-slavery movement. Only an N would be so astute about the underlying patterns of behavior of the people and institutions around her. I was raised by an ISTJ and an INFJ and from the outside all the INFJs I know look a lot like an SJ to people who don't know them well, but their motivations and life's work are totally different. And they are studious and obsessively meticulous. They will go and look up questions you've posed in a book and tell you the answers, just like Hermione does. They are people pleasers and rule followers and will conform heavily, so long as the group they are conforming to (in form) they believe in (in substance). I do think you could make a case for ISTJ or ISFJ in the movie version of Hermione, though I never would have thought of that on my own, as my image of her is based on the books. In both I think we see Hermione grow, appearing more severely J and SJish at first but showing her true NFJ colors increasingly as she develops. I've watched several INFJs I am close to go through this process and it's really beautiful.
    Dumbledore plays heavily into the Wise Wizard archetype and is therefore clearly IN, but has traits of both the INFJ counselor (esp. to Harry) and the INTJ moving his chess pieces across the board. Hard to pin down an archetype. He's less like any real people than the kids are. Likewise Voldemort is the Shadow. He personifies evil, the opposite of love, and is therefore not a realistic person. His soul is broken. I don't think he is a type, per se. Obviously he's cut off from feeling and any real relationship with people, but I don't know if that makes him an introverted thinker or just nuts.
    Snape seems very much more like a real life INTJ to me, and I assumed Harry was an INFP, but the very good arguments for ISFP have made me reconsider. I think the Weasley twins are ENTP entrepeneurs and Luna and Lupin are INFPs.

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    Harry -> NO intuition, ISFP.
    Dumbledore -> INTJ.

    It all sounds pretty clear to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireandwater View Post
    I somehow deleted my first most thoughtful post, I think, but here's another version: Hermione is an INFJ, for certain, in my mind, especially in the books. Only an NF would create and make her life's work an anti-slavery movement. Only an N would be so astute about the underlying patterns of behavior of the people and institutions around her
    What implies Ni and Fe? I'm pretty certain that she's an ISTJ. Being raised around all of that would certainly make someone affected by it. Anyone could devote themselves to removing slavery. And would why only an N be concerned with this?

    Only an N would be so astute about the underlying patterns of behavior of the people and institutions around her
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    This is responding to BlackCat's post (sorry I haven't figured out the quote function yet.) TypeLogic's description of INFJs helps explain why I think they are more likely than other types to initiate a fight for the welfare of house elves:

    "Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.

    INFJs are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden...." (MLK Jr. listed as an example.)

    Their scholarly attributes and their ability to read other people are also discussed well in this article: INFJ Profile. I'd be interested to know if you see Hermione in their description of INFJs as I do, that is to say I'd be interested to know if we interpret the INFJ differently or just the character Hermione differently.

    To clarify, I think all sorts of types are likely to JOIN an antislavery cause or to be able to see (or feel) that slavery is wrong. It's just more likely to me that NF would be the CATALYST. I don't know any SJ Guardians who would buck social convention in this way or even be able to see outside social convention to such a degree that they would initiate or attempt to initiate radical change.

    On the separate issue of N perceiving the patterns of social behavior in general, to me that's what N's do primarily is scan for patterns (I can do it all day if nobody stops me and makes me do something more "real" or "productive") and for NFs it's patterns to do with people, individually or collectively. Actually it was this thought which also convinced me that those who were saying Harry is ISFP were right, as Hermione is always explaining to Harry what other people are thinking, their motivations and such, to paraphrase from memory: "can't you see what Cho must be feeling," "don't you think Voldemort knows you have a bit of a martyr complex", "It (Umbridge's speech that sounded a load of waffle to Ron) means the ministry's interfering at Hogwarts." I can't see my ISTJ Dad recognizing any of these types of things, but my INFJ mother would.
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    On another note, if as has been suggested, all three of these characters: Dumbledore, Snape, and Voldemort, are INTJ, what does that mean in terms of pattern or message in the story? Both Dumbledore and Snape started down the path to the Dark Side of the Force, so to speak and then pulled back from the edge and became key figures in its defeat. Both also when women they loved died.

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    love this =]

    harry potter- isfp (loyal to friends, prefer action over words, very private, take things very personally)

    ron- esfp (speaks for itself)

    Hermione- Isfj (she's an SJ and i wont be persuaded otherwise. F because she cried in the bathroom in first year when ron said she had no friends, dont forget spew, and of course her attack with the birds onto ron. oh yes and she dropped out of school to run around the countryside in hiding with her best friends.)

    voldie- intj

    snapey- intj

    dumbly- infj or intj? he's a J. he had sooo many plans.

    Sirius is an ENFP- fickle, moody, attention seeking, out spoken, loyal, doesn't like rules and details, sensitive.

    Lupin- infp. its clear.

    Luna- inxp

    Neville- intp? a weak one?

    Ginny- Esfj? or enfj?

    mrs. weasly- esfj

    mr. weasley- infp?

    weasley twins- estp

    draco- entp

    Lucius- entJ

    Bellatrix- entp

    Narcissa- Istp

    Lily evans- enfp

    XSTJ'S- Vernon, Umbridge, flich, Fudge, Scrigimour, McGonagall, slughorn,

    Hagrid- enfp/infp

    fleur- enfp? enfj? she does love her attention.

    Seamus Finnegan- isfp

    Cedric Diggory- infj/enfj

    Olivander- intp

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi_xo View Post
    love this =]

    harry potter- isfp (loyal to friends, prefer action over words, very private, take things very personally)

    ron- esfp (speaks for itself)

    Hermione- Isfj (she's an SJ and i wont be persuaded otherwise. F because she cried in the bathroom in first year when ron said she had no friends, dont forget spew, and of course her attack with the birds onto ron. oh yes and she dropped out of school to run around the countryside in hiding with her best friends.)

    voldie- intj

    snapey- intj

    dumbly- infj or intj? he's a J. he had sooo many plans.

    Sirius is an ENFP- fickle, moody, attention seeking, out spoken, loyal, doesn't like rules and details, sensitive.

    Lupin- infp. its clear.

    Luna- inxp

    Neville- intp? a weak one?

    Ginny- Esfj? or enfj?

    mrs. weasly- esfj

    mr. weasley- infp?

    weasley twins- estp

    draco- entp

    Lucius- entJ

    Bellatrix- entp

    Narcissa- Istp

    Lily evans- enfp

    XSTJ'S- Vernon, Umbridge, flich, Fudge, Scrigimour, McGonagall, slughorn,

    Hagrid- enfp/infp

    fleur- enfp? enfj? she does love her attention.

    Seamus Finnegan- isfp

    Cedric Diggory- infj/enfj

    Olivander- intp

    look's right.
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    HARRY IS NOT AN ISFP GRARGHRFRDSFG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    HARRY IS NOT AN ISFP GRARGHRFRDSFG
    Yeah, and Hiter IS NOT planet. Haha, whata load of oranges.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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