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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    see above.

    Plus, she uses Ni in the last few books. She's definitely the plotter between the trio.
    Can ISTJs also plot? Do they plan out their lives?
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    Rowling could have re-characterized her because she needed Hermione to be a bit more of an N to get Harry through it all.
    Why would Rowling need to make Hermione more N-like? Why not just make her smart and supportive? That's hardly something that Hermione would have to switch to N to be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I skim. LOL. My bad.
    For shame!

    I dunno. If she was more N in the last books, I missed it, but as previously mentioned I can't remember past the 5th book anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    Can ISTJs also plot? Do they plan out their lives?
    I'm not saying they don't, but seriously? An ISTJ breaking into the government? An ISTJ succesfully breaking into the government? An ISTJ plotting to break into the government? I know I'm being slightly judgmental right now, but I cannot see ISTJ for her in the last few books. In the first few, definitely.
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    Hermione could read Harry when Ron couldn't. She knew what he was thinking, she knew when his scar hurt, and she knew what to do about it. Especially in DH.
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    I don't really see how Hermione could possibly be N. She was an ISxJ postergirl through and through. Completely focused on the established rules. Completely focused on a literal model of the way the Harry Potter world was (S), not at all focused on creating an abstract internal model of the way she thought the world should be (N).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I'm not saying they don't, but seriously? An ISTJ breaking into the government? An ISTJ succesfully breaking into the government? An ISTJ plotting to break into the government? I know I'm being slightly judgmental right now, but I cannot see ISTJ for her in the last few books. In the first few, definitely.
    Their plan would be more down-to-earth -- relying on the data they already know --; the INJs will depend more on their "haunches", which isn't necessarily supported by the current reality. (Recall how critical Hermione was of Harry's tertiary Ni in the 7th book.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    I don't really see how Hermione could possibly be N. She was an ISxJ postergirl through and through. Completely focused on the established rules. Completely focused on a literal model of the way the Harry Potter world was (S), not at all focused on creating an abstract internal model of the way she thought the world should be (N).
    She broke into the Ministry of Magic. She plotted it all out! Harry and Ron could have never done so. Seriously? You can't see N at all through this? I can see S, but I prefer N for her.

    To negate my position: Her not believing in the possibility of the Deathly Hallows after Xenophilius' house is a total S thing to do.

    There, I'm contributing to both sides because I am not allowing myself to take fictional typology seriously.

    I give up, ya'll can think of her as a Sensor. I think otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFob View Post
    We need something to interpret, don't we?
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    Yes, there is no one right answer or truth. However, what makes literary debates intriguing is deciding which interpretation has the best support.
    Yeah, I agree. I was setting up to explain what I thought was a better method, which I edited in. I should have left out the last sentence of the statement that you quoted.

    On topic, I'll repeat that I think Hermione is OVERALL more logical than emotional. She has her emotional moments, sure, but her character's normal state involves her being bossy, compulsively organized, achievement oriented, and no-nonsense. Like a Te dom or aux. Recall how she likes to belittle even her own friends for their ignorance, how she likes to plan and structure their lives for them, and how she has no problem berating others for their stupidity. She has too much Te to be an ISFJ, even if you think she shows evidence of Fe sometimes (during her emotional episodes, which are much less frequent in relation to her everyday self).
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    I know I'm being slightly judgmental right now
    To be blunt, I have to agree with you. Stop typing Hermione based on her abilities. That's a very narrow-minded and dangerous way of typing somone. Type her based on her preferences and tendencies. They point to her being an SJ.

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