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    I find this quite pointless, really. Culture, as in culture of a country, is an extremely diverse thing (which makes it so interesting after all), and if one feels the need to type it, they should at least point out which layer of the culture they are typing. I believe one could find layers of all 'types' in every culture.

    For example, speaking of Japan, the ISTJ mentality quite fits the traditional, hard-working spirit of people, but 1) this is very quickly changing, 2) there are many VERY imaginative, highly aesthetic or insanely crazy levels that have nothing to do with the ISTJ archetype, so I wouldn't say it's a good fit overall.

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    "I find this quite pointless, really. Culture, as in culture of a country, is an extremely diverse thing (which makes it so interesting after all), and if one feels the need to type it, they should at least point out which layer of the culture they are typing. I believe one could find layers of all 'types' in every culture."

    I agree that there are many layers and subcultures in every culture but I also think that there's no denying that cultures are different from each other. The differences between cultures could be depicted and analysed in many ways, the MBTI being just one of them. For example, it is widely noted that the Finnish culture is much more introverted (as in, introversion is much more accepted, even respected) than the American culture. For Americans, it can be hard to be an introvert, and for the Finnish, it can be hard to be an extrovert. (I feel, however, that the norm here is becoming extraverted because of global influences... and I don't like it. In any case foreigners who come here usually say that the Finnish are quiet.) It is also said that the Finnish people are quite aware of laws and rules and don't want to break them.

    I do acknowledge, however, that the culture in Finnish universities or among artists in Finland is probably not ISTJ but something else. The culture of my Finnish family is not exactly ISTJ, either. I'm talking about the main culture-- the culture that everyone is aware of, the culture that foreigners take notice of, and the culture that affects everyone's sense of what they're expected to be like.

    Why type a culture, then? For entertainment. For intellectual purposes. For instrumental purposes. I, for one, read just a few days ago that in Native American culture INFP was the standard. That was a curious thing to find out and also a useful piece of information because I'm very fond of some things about INFP-ness and now I know that in order to surround myself with INFP-ness, I could try reading something about the Native American culture.

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    Well, yeah, I agree that some layer of a given culture might be predominant and provoke an idea of a certain type. But I still think that to make this discussion interesting, one should name that certain layer, outline reasons why the culture creates this idea, and at least locate it in time (because culture is often very turbulent and changeable). I also believe that the way foreigners see certain culture is quite subjective and relative. Our own culture is always a lense with which we see another culture, and of course our own personality also. For me, some traits of the cultures that were named in this thread stand out much more than others and my typing would be very different.

    I think that Japan is quite a good example of this. I think that the poster who said past Japan was ISFJ and present Japan is INTJ was closer to truth that those who deem it ISTJ. Specifically, I'd say that rural feudal Japan was very ISFJ, because the spirit of community was what mattered the most = Fe. However, the samurai layer of feudal Japan was definitely ISTJ. If you compare it with court Heian Japan, though (794-1185), you get a completely different culture that was in many ways similar to Georgian England. How would that type? ENFJ? Not very sure myself. Besides, Japanese classical literature up to the middle of the 19th century, especially poetry and theatre, definitely doesn't give me any vibe remotely similar to ISTJ's. And present Japan is something completely different - it's indeed turbulently changing, leaves the old traditions, and it definitely aims towards the future, not past, so I think INTJ makes more sense than ISTJ overall, even though Japanese women still seem rather ISFJ and Japanese men rather ISTJ.

    (I'm Japanese philology major, by the way - I guess knowing culture more deeply will definitely leave one with different idea than knowing it just superficially. Although, I have really no idea how I'd type my own Czech culture besides obviously being a huge P. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaveri View Post
    I, for one, read just a few days ago that in Native American culture INFP was the standard. That was a curious thing to find out and also a useful piece of information because I'm very fond of some things about INFP-ness and now I know that in order to surround myself with INFP-ness, I could try reading something about the Native American culture.
    There are far too many different indigenous groups of people spread over the two American continents to lump them as one culture.

    However, the stereotypical Native American culture seems too group-oriented & into their tradition for this INFP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity
    I have really no idea how I'd type my own Czech culture besides obviously being a huge P.
    Huge P, as in Porn . People in the Czech Republic are among the top porn searchers according to google trends. But I'm not sure what that means regarding typing a culture...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled
    However, the stereotypical Native American culture seems too group-oriented & into their tradition for this INFP...
    Maybe, but there is this story of the two competing twins (the first story):

    ...
    Left-Handed Twin lied, fought, rebelled and made "crooked" choices.
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    But Left-Handed Twin helped, and invented rituals of sorcery and healing
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    Moon
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    During festivals, day activities honor Right-Handed Twin, and night activities such as feasting, singing and dancing honor Left-Handed Twin
    Sounds INFPish, albeit not exclusively. But MBTI with its diamatrical pairs, after all, is designed dualistically as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    PETA members = ENFP
    PETA = STUPID
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    However, the stereotypical Native American culture seems too group-oriented & into their tradition for this INFP...
    Yeah right, the natives american cultures were probably more xSFJ. In other hands, the french culture is clearly more xNFP.
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