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    Everybody are so obsessed with Hitler but no one is looking at Stalin.


    What do you think Stalin is from the perspective of MBTI?

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    i've heard estj and istj. of course not having read any books directly about him i can't come to any conclusions myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Everybody are so obsessed with Hitler but no one is looking at Stalin.


    What do you think Stalin is from the perspective of MBTI?
    ESTJ

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    It's about damn time somebody started a thread about Uncle Joe. Socionics has him classifed as a Logical sensing introvert(LSI) - whatever the hell that means translated to MBTI.

    Here's one description of Stalin's personality I've posted here before:

    "Stalin was trusting Hitler to act rationally; and to fight Britain and Russia at the same time was clearly irrational. However, he failed to realize that, despite their similarities, there was one profound difference between him and Hitler which made his perfect logic irrelevant. He himself was a methodical, calculating, hard-working man; a master of detail, personally signing death lists at one extreme, and at the other keeping the tiniest details of gold production in his notebook. "
    -- Warlords: An Extraordinary Re-Creation of World War II Through the Eyes and Minds of Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, And Stalin, pg. 50

    I also have a biography of his early life that details alot about his personality traits. I've also read Edvard Radzinsky's biography, and many significant parts of Robert Service's biography. Not to mention Simon Sebag Montefiore's latest Young Stalin, which also contains much about the man's personality.

    One thing now that many biographers and historians are agree on is that Stalin had a more intellectual inclination than previously believed. It was assumed that he lacked intellectual prowess compared to other Bolshevik rivals like Trotsky, yet new information shows that this wasn't really the case. Robert Service talks extensively about Stalin's impressive grasp of the field of Linguistics for example.

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    Stalin was an ISTJ.

    Originally, he was put in charge of the communist party's logistics (detail oriented, number crunching work). He was shunned by Lenin and Trotsky when it came to the long term plans and leadership for the communist party because neither of them saw Stalin as theoretic. He was bad at predicting people's intentions (a common weakness amongst the STJs). He was shocked to find out that Hitler, even though his idealogical enemy, breached the non-aggression pact. As a result, he locked himself in his chambers and refused to come out for days (introverts react to stress by seeking solace in solitude) He securing the power with an SJ approach - in a diligent and methodical way he destroyed anyone who was exposed to "foreign ideas" instead trying to sift through their loyalties. Kind of like an attrition warfare style that requires the attention to detail. He definitely wasn't a Feeler - when his son got shot down from his plane, Germans attempted to trade him for a Nazi general who was in Soviet captivity. To that Stalin replied "No lieutenant is worth a general"

    He was also bad at reading his family dynamic (also a common STJ weakness), refused to let his son marry a Jew, resulting in his son's attempted suicide, surprising Stalin who prized himself on being able to control everything. His wife also committed suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It's about damn time somebody started a thread about Uncle Joe. Socionics has him classifed as a Logical sensing introvert(LSI) - whatever the hell that means translated to MBTI.
    Yup, sounds like an ISTJ. Stalin's my comrade!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    He was shunned by Lenin and Trotsky when it came to the long term plans and leadership for the communist party because neither of them saw Stalin as theoretic.
    Lenin never really shunned Stalin. Lenin had more contempt for Trotsky then for Stalin. Besides, Lenin made Stalin in charge of formulating the Bolshevik Party stance on nationalities, which is seen in Stalin's famous essay "Marxism and the National Question" and later being made Commisar of Nationalities.


    He was also bad at reading his family dynamic (also a common STJ weakness), refused to let his son marry a Jew, resulting in his son's attempted suicide, surprising Stalin who prized himself on being able to control everything. His wife also committed suicide.
    His wife was Jewish, or at least part-Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Lenin never really shunned Stalin. Lenin had more contempt for Trotsky then for Stalin. Besides, Lenin made Stalin in charge of formulating the Bolshevik Party stance on nationalities, which is seen in Stalin's famous essay "Marxism and the National Question" and later being made Commisar of Nationalities.

    In his will, Lenin passed the power to Trotsky. Since Lenin was ill for a long time and his death was anticipated, Stalin managed to entrench his own power and managed to oust Trotsky (and later assassinate him) despite Lenin's final wishes.

    His wife was Jewish, or at least part-Jewish.
    His first wife was Georgian, and his second wife was of Georgian and German ancestry.

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    The one important thing often forgotten in regards to Lenin's last testament is the fact he criticised and attacked the flaws of many in the Central Committee, including Trotsky.

    It is rather odd that in such a short period of time, Lenin's opinion of both Stalin and Trotsky would make such dramatic reversals. For years, Lenin engaged in vicious attacks against Trotsky, even coining the nickname "Judas Trotsky"(falsely attributed to Stalin). By contrast, Lenin over the years had a good opinion of the "Wonderful Georgian" - how Lenin described Stalin upon first meeting him.

    Anyways....I'll get more into this later.

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    I think his methods of dealing with people were a little too aggressive to be ISTJ- I think ESTJ is a better fit.
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