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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Do you have any sources for this claim? I'm just interested. I'm not saying that it's bullshit, but i'd like to see some form of study on it or such.
    Well, no, I don't have any sources for that claim, or any studies. All I have, really, is phototyping ability :P. And what I see from that is sometimes quite obvious.

    FeNis can be extremely nice people, but they are also quite charismatic and inspirational in ways that Fi types are not. While Fi, in my opinion, takes a more distanced approach to relationships, Fe approaches these in a very dynamic, power-packed way. How many of these dictators were dynamic, inspiring men? Also, in looking to type a person on Ni, you can look at how abstract their speech is. If you look at the kind of comedian like Mitch Hedberg, that's the kind of linguistic abstraction I'm talking about. You can pretty much find it in all ENFJs to some degree, some more than others, depending on how focused they are on their P function, Ni. I'm not sure how to explain Ni itself in a relation to this, except that its method of processing information is extremely precise when compared to Ne. It's more deep and probing, as all introverted functions tend to be. Look at some of these major dictators that have held sway over a lot of people. To get an example of the type of Ni presence I'm talking about, look at Carl Jung in his younger days, an Ni-sub INFp. It's very staunch, almost ascetic-looking.

    Most beta NFs (ENFjs, INFps), tend to have a very kingly, elegant, aristocratic approach to the world. This is why it's easy to see them as the types most likely for an open dictatorship. Also, they can be very volatile, which explains why these open dictatorships tend to rise very quickly and fall in about the same amount of time when confronted with an alternative.

    If you look at types like the ESTj and other Delta-quadra types (INFj, ENFp, ISTp), you'll find the same aristocratic outlook, except different. Whereas the Beta quadra members (ISTj, ENFj, INFp, ESTp) have Se, the deltas focus on Si. Any dictatorship that they have any part in would likely be more low-key. In my experience, most of them would profess that they value democracy and equality. But if you press them, a little deeper, you'll find that they enjoy a more centralized form of government. So with them it's just not as easily seen. Whereas a an unhealthy delta ST might make an attempt at manipulation by using humor or saying that they care about you and that they're trying to help you, Betas have no such qualms with just saying, "Fuck you" right off the bat.

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    I don't know about ENFJ. I know BW classifed Lenin as such.

    I still think INTJ or at least NTJ, based upon the 12 years of reading Ive done about the man's life and his personality.

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    Stalin can't be entj, he lack vision. he can't be intj either becquse intj don't rob banks. Stalin is far more a pragnmaticist than an idealist, so his N might not be that good.

    Also, it was known that stalin hated authority, so Sj are unlikely.

    ENFj makes good cult leaders but they are not good dictartors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    Stalin can't be entj, he lack vision. he can't be intj either becquse intj don't rob banks. Stalin is far more a pragnmaticist than an idealist, so his N might not be that good.

    Also, it was known that stalin hated authority, so Sj are unlikely.

    ENFj makes good cult leaders but they are not good dictartors.
    If these arguments can be considered trustworthy, hypothetically, then I propose ESTP. My argument is theoretical, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    Stalin can't be entj, he lack vision. he can't be intj either becquse intj don't rob banks. Stalin is far more a pragnmaticist than an idealist, so his N might not be that good.

    Also, it was known that stalin hated authority, so Sj are unlikely.

    ENFj makes good cult leaders but they are not good dictartors.
    You have to be careful about blanket statements like "INTJs don't rob banks" or "he hated authority therefore not SJ". Try to take things in a context.

    Stalin's father was an abusive alcoholic who couldn't hold a job, and Stalin grew up in lawless country. These kind of surroundings can be viewed as a lack of proper authority in the SJs eyes, resulting in the disdain of such environment, not a hatred toward authority in general.

    Stalin's own way of running the country was through extreme micromanagement, which is not exactly a way someone who resents authority would operate.

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    This pictures proves that I am more familiar with Stalin than anyone else on this board:


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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Do you have any sources for this claim? I'm just interested. I'm not saying that it's bullshit, but i'd like to see some form of study on it or such.
    There there, I'm sure there are just as many would-be ENTJ dictators. It's the thought that counts.
    I don't wanna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    This pictures proves that I am more familiar with Stalin than anyone else on this board:

    This picture proves that you suck at phototyping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldanen View Post
    This picture proves that you suck at phototyping.
    So what is Edgar's V.I. type?

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    V.I. ?

    Are you talking about this guy?


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