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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo View Post
    I think his methods of dealing with people were a little too aggressive to be ISTJ- I think ESTJ is a better fit.
    Any type who feels ashamed of him/herself would hide for days.
    Right. He was a Te Si. The Si was a way higher than the Si of most ISTJs, although it is their primary function. But the Te was higher still. That is, he had extreme control, but the drive was even more extreme. A spider.

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    ESTJ or ISTP, can't decide which.

    ISTP because of his manuevering and elimination of enemies within the party after lenin had a stroke. ESTJs are usually too dumb for this kind of thing. Stalin was also kinf of introverted. ISTps are more machievellian than ESTJs.
    Sorry for typo, I have poor english and I don't like to edit my posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy View Post
    ESTJ or ISTP, can't decide which.

    ISTP because of his manuevering and elimination of enemies within the party after lenin had a stroke. ESTJs are usually too dumb for this kind of thing. Stalin was also kinf of introverted. ISTps are more machievellian than ESTJs.
    Stalin wasn't really Machiavellian. Being Machiavellian involves playing political games, forming and breaking alliances, using opportunistic diplomacy, etc.

    Stalin wasn't into that kind of stuff. He followed no bullshit type of approach: "Says here he studied economics in Sorbonne before the revolution. Shoot him, and send his family to the gulag for re-education"

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy View Post
    ESTJ or ISTP, can't decide which.

    ISTP because of his manuevering and elimination of enemies within the party after lenin had a stroke. ESTJs are usually too dumb for this kind of thing. Stalin was also kinf of introverted. ISTps are more machievellian than ESTJs.
    I have read hundreds of books of Stalin. If you say a specific type is dumb, you show only bias. No offence. Intelligence is not about type.
    ISTP is no planner. My brother is an ISTP. The ISTPs see an occasion, and they grab it.
    The ESTJs create the occasion.
    I say Stalin was an ESTJ.
    He had a high Ni. His Si was higher. He was a man afraid, a meticulous planner. He had an average Se, and an inferior Ne.
    His primary function was Te.

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    ISTJ, and anyone who disagrees is an enemy of the people.
    No offense.

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    ESTJ is the epitome of ordinary... Wouldn't call Stalin just that without flinching. I'd probably look around for cultural factors that might portray him as, say, a sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    ESTJ is the epitome of ordinary... Wouldn't call Stalin just that without flinching. I'd probably look around for cultural factors that might portray him as, say, a sensor.
    Ordinary is not a definition of type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Ordinary is not a definition of type.
    Check out the big brain on wildcat! You a smart m-f-er, that's right.

    It's one of the more common types, and a type associated with the ordinary. Those who maintain the infrastructure of the society I believe we both occupy are very often ESTJ.

    That said, I would probably pick ESTJ for Stalin as well, but I don't know his history as well as others here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Check out the big brain on wildcat! You a smart m-f-er, that's right.

    It's one of the more common types, and a type associated with the ordinary. Those who maintain the infrastructure of the society I believe we both occupy are very often ESTJ.

    That said, I would probably pick ESTJ for Stalin as well, but I don't know his history as well as others here.
    I rephrase.

    Ordinary is not a definition of type per se. ESTJ is one of the more common types.
    Stalin was not ordinary. It is ordinary to have Te as the primary function.
    That is not the point. The point is HIS Te. And HIS Si.

    I said his Si was a way higher than the Si of the ISTJs. It is their first function.
    Read: His Si was extraordinary. His Te was even higher than his Si.
    Stalin was an ESTJ. He was extraordinary.
    We have no disagreement.

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    Excellent.

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