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10-08-2008, 02:10 AM
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I'm watching the debate 20 minutes behind on my PVR, since real life got in the way. But I'm getting really sick of hearing "my friends" every twenty seconds.
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10-08-2008, 02:20 AM
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10-08-2008, 03:12 AM
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I'm certainly not quite sure on Obama as Commander in Chief. I think he is wet behind the ears here, and I think McCain would make a better one. Sorry, BO, but I gotta give this one to the old man. He's been there.
But in terms of the economy... WARREN BUFFETT FOR SECTREAS?! I thought the former CEO of Goldman Sachs couldn't be one-upped... BUT WARREN BUFFETT? Okay...forget Obama. Forget McCain. Forget Biden and Palin, too. BUFFETT FOR SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY! NOW! |
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10-08-2008, 03:12 AM
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I thought Obama's remark about using a scalpel versus a hatchet was a good jab.
Both men seemed very uncertain about how to answer the good question about how to handle Russia without getting into another cold war. I thought there were a lot of very good questions , especially the "Zen" question, but the candidates avoided answering them very directly. I was pleasantly surprised to see Obama not follow McCain's lead on saying that he thought we could attack all of the problems simultaneously, even though there is some interdependence implied in some of the issues. I'm still waiting to hear Obama reply in some detail to the McCain claim that he voted to raise taxes for people making over 42K after being elected to some position. Sometimes these accusations refer to bills that had many heterogeneous and seemingly contradictory components. I heard that this one was "non-binding" but I'd like more info on that. On a separate matter, it struck me that Obama may either feel it is politically unfeasible to address this directly, or he just isn't aware of developments, or he is trying to keep up with McCain's simplistic black/white and good /evil distinctions when he answered the way he did about a "dictator" for Afghanistan. See my post "The Other 'Bad Guys' on that. The Other "Bad Guys" The idea that we're going to be able to bring American style "democracy" or open society culture in full blossom, to all crucial countries in the world, many of whom are only just now beginning to come out of the medieval ages, seems naive. ( We're even starting to have problems keeping it going right here, from our own domestic traditionalists sometimes. ) I am torn between a desire for a nuanced President, with a consideration for "P" orientation to options, and the desire for someone who will not wait too long on some decisions. McCain makes much of his "steady hand" and quick decision to threaten Russia about Georgia, but we don't need a hotheaded, impulsive or brittle stance either, from someone with so much destructive power at his fingertips.
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10-08-2008, 03:22 AM
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Going flag-waving around the world IMO is...less than intelligent at a time like this. We need to shore up our own problems domestically and in fact start to tone down our proactive approach to foreign policy. And when I say tone it down, I mean tone it DOWN. Sure, keep our bases in nations, support Israel, and all that...but let's do it BEHIND the scenes.
And if we need to fight, we need to not be messy about it but just a swift, crushing blow to any enemy nation to make them feel the pain and humiliation for decades. |
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10-08-2008, 03:32 AM
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Only caught the end of it after my night class, but my thoughts:
MBTI Related: When Obama was first speaking about Russia responding to that woman's question, he totally dropped the orator skills for a moment and demonstrated what I'm sure other INTJs can relate to (not that he's an INTJ)--an inability to spew out Ni thoughts. Politics Related: The military question from the male (CPO?) in the audience about whether the USA should wait for UN approval or go ahead and do their thang if provoked... isn't that illegal? And what Chomsky always talks about? How scary is it that?! Yeah, we know the US will go ahead without approval. But to explicitly state that in the debate, both Obama and McCain would've been torched, seen as pathetically weak, and lost a lot of votes if they had said they'd follow legal action. Creepy.
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