Anti-Obama/Biden Thread

Udog · 10-02-2008, 09:31 PM

Fine. Since no one else will start this...

Let's talk about why Obama/Biden are not worth our vote. As someone that was very favorable towards Obama in the primaries, my liking for him has become less and less over the Presidential race. This is not because of what McCain says, but rather because of what Obama does.

A couple of my issues:

He said he would opt for public funds for the Presidential Campaign if his opponent would do the same. When called on it by McCain in a very sly political maneuver, Obama misses the opportunity to live up to his words and declines McCain's offer.

During his Primary Campaign he claims to be against FISA. He later votes in favor of it, promising to re-examine the unconstitutional aspects of the bill if he becomes President. Riiiight.

That was two chances for him to bring change to Washington and the election process. Both times he does not deliver. Begrudging the man because he is an excellent orator is silly. However, when his actions do not match his words, then what do you have left? Answer: a typical politician.

So what other issues are there with Obama? Hopefully this thread can still be interesting despite trying to avoid intentional flame-bait.

Jen · 10-02-2008, 09:36 PM

You should all it, "Poop on Obama/Biden!"

Lateralus · 10-02-2008, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen

You should all it, "Poop on Obama/Biden!"

Why? Would that make the argument against them more legitimate, somehow?

Modern Nomad · 10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Udog

That was two chances for him to bring change to Washington and the election process. Both times he does not deliver. Begrudging the man because he is an excellent orator is silly. However, when his actions do not match his words, then what do you have left? Answer: a typical politician.

I think it is silly to believe that washington can change.

lobbying would be considered bribing in most democratic countries that are newer than the USA.

im not sure what the point of believing washington can "change" is.

the only REAL change would be anarchy. but even that is a pretty remote possibility. but slightly more likely than change by itself. liklihood of change - .0000001% likelihood of anarchy - .0000002% LOL

Jen · 10-02-2008, 10:00 PM

On a positive note, McCain was hawt when he was young.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lateralus

I see, you're trying to make this thread about McCain, too.

I don't think the 'average American' is representative of this forum membership. So why would you try to preach to that audience?

Understood, but aren't you concerned about the future? Please convince me how McCain/Palin are what's best for us.

Lateralus · 10-02-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen

On a positive note, McCain was hawt when he was young.

Understood, but aren't you concerned about the future? Please convince me how McCain/Palin are what's best for us.

Wrong thread.

Jeffster · 10-02-2008, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen

Understood, but aren't you concerned about the future? Please convince me how McCain/Palin are what's best for us.

Why should anybody do that? You ignore such requests for why anyone should vote for Obama. You only spout vocabulary words and slogans. You haven't given a single concrete reason ever for why you support him that I've seen. So I could say "McCain/Palin like totally rock and shit! They are like nine levels of AWESOME" and it would already equal anything you've put forth about Obama.

Jen · 10-02-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffster

Why should anybody do that? You ignore such requests for why anyone should vote for Obama. You only spout vocabulary words and slogans. You haven't given a single concrete reason ever for why you support him that I've seen. So I could say "McCain/Palin like totally rock and shit! They are like nine levels of AWESOME" and it would already equal anything you've put forth about Obama.

Sarah and I have things in common! Kewl! You may change my mind yet Jeffster!

heart · 10-02-2008, 10:24 PM

This is most disturbing:

Obama voted to renew the Patriot Act.

Barack Obama: U.S. presidential election, 2008/On renewal of the Patriot Act - Congresspedia

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) voted YES on March 1, 2006, on reauthorizing the Patriot Act. Obama votedNO on December 16, 2005, on the Motion for Cloture of PATRIOT Act (HR 3199).

Lateralus · 10-02-2008, 10:32 PM

His political campaigns have been closely associated with Tony Rezko.

This, alone, wouldn't necessarily keep me from voting for anyone. My problem with it is that the crux of his campaign is 'change', but his previous actions, like his association with Rezko, show me that he's just feeding everyone a line. He's just another politician. What amazes me is how so many people are just dying to gobble it up.

10-02-2008, 09:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Udog Hi There Join Date: Aug 2008 Type: INfp Posts: 1,597	Anti-Obama/Biden Thread Fine. Since no one else will start this... Let's talk about why Obama/Biden are not worth our vote. As someone that was very favorable towards Obama in the primaries, my liking for him has become less and less over the Presidential race. This is not because of what McCain says, but rather because of what Obama does. A couple of my issues: He said he would opt for public funds for the Presidential Campaign if his opponent would do the same. When called on it by McCain in a very sly political maneuver, Obama misses the opportunity to live up to his words and declines McCain's offer. During his Primary Campaign he claims to be against FISA. He later votes in favor of it, promising to re-examine the unconstitutional aspects of the bill if he becomes President. Riiiight. That was two chances for him to bring change to Washington and the election process. Both times he does not deliver. Begrudging the man because he is an excellent orator is silly. However, when his actions do not match his words, then what do you have left? Answer: a typical politician. So what other issues are there with Obama? Hopefully this thread can still be interesting despite trying to avoid intentional flame-bait.

10-02-2008, 09:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jen cooling Join Date: Jun 2007 Type: infj Posts: 4,756	You should all it, "Poop on Obama/Biden!" __________________ SLOAN RLOAI R(56%)L(58%)O(58%)A(54%)I(58%) "I was born with all the holes in my body I need already...don't give me more!" ~ Creator of Not Being Stabbed Repeatedly. The former eats babies and calls it nutritious. The latter eats souls and calls it judicious. ~iwakar on the differences between INTJ and INFJ.

10-02-2008, 10:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
heart heart on fire Join Date: May 2007 Type: INFP Posts: 7,344	This is most disturbing: Obama voted to renew the Patriot Act. Barack Obama: U.S. presidential election, 2008/On renewal of the Patriot Act - Congresspedia Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) voted YES on March 1, 2006, on reauthorizing the Patriot Act. Obama votedNO on December 16, 2005, on the Motion for Cloture of PATRIOT Act (HR 3199). __________________ 5w4 sx/sp People understand me so poorly that they don't even understand my complaint about them not understanding me. Soren Kierkegaard

10-02-2008, 10:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lateralus Crazy Bean Join Date: May 2007 Type: ENTJ Posts: 2,795	His political campaigns have been closely associated with Tony Rezko. This, alone, wouldn't necessarily keep me from voting for anyone. My problem with it is that the crux of his campaign is 'change', but his previous actions, like his association with Rezko, show me that he's just feeding everyone a line. He's just another politician. What amazes me is how so many people are just dying to gobble it up. __________________ It's all about me.

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