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So Americans, opinions on this? I know if I was American I would be very pissed at what the country is turning into. More power to the Fed, more power to the Fed... more power to the Fed. Yuk. :|
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Protecting the taxpayer -- with another 700 billion pounds worth of debt. The full draft is below if anybody would like to read it. Quote:
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When's it going to end? Where is the government getting this money from to bail out these companies? I assume at the moment it's not coming directly from the taxpayers? Borrow more money from the FED... at interest? Print more money.
Last week, whilst being a short term fix, in the longer term is just going to create more trouble, and give more power to an all ready too powerful Fed. I tend to agree with Ron Paul on this issue. YouTube - Ron Paul on the Global Financial Crisis
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Ever since the 30's the government has been more and more involved in the economy, and look where it got us...#1. Almost every country with a high quality of life has a government that is very involved with the economy. That Ron Paul stuff sounds good on paper, but that's about it. |
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So Americans began to have comparable standards of living with Europeans, only after the formation of the Fed in 1913?
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The economy and society of 1913 isn't exactly relevant to 2008. No one should expect that if we roll back time in terms of historical government-economic relations that we will experience anything similar to how it used to be. |
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I also wanted to note that it wasn't the stock market that was failing, it was the entirety of the financial system. There's a good reason for the disconnect between the average person and the economists/people in the field - this stuff is highly interconnected and far removed from most people. What was being looked at wasn't just a loss of some pensioner's funds. We were talking about the complete lack of liquidity of debt. Debt that is required to consolidate the hurting companies. Debt that keeps day to day operations running. Debt that finances capital projects. Debt that allows mortgages, car payments and so forth. The reason why it AIG and the like ran straight into a wall was because they had no bridging money to keep operating. It's the same reasons for the short-selling protections. It can actually induce the collapse rather than provide price stability. That's the reason for the broad act. It allows the government to provide liquidity. It's not the solution I'm looking for, but I figure there is no chance that the US would ever allow broad regulation and intervention in their banking system. |
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It's not that simple because if it were up to me, I would not even have the Fed in the first place.
The Fed causes these problems, and then jumps into fix them, they gain more legislative power for problems that stem from them. How does that in anyway make sense? It's a lose/lose situation for me at this point, weather the Fed brought out AIG etc... or not.
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Market intervention is necessary, every successful nation uses it for a reason. |
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