bi-national state

passingby · 09-10-2008, 01:04 PM

hi

do you think a bi-national state in israel will bring peace between palestine and israelis?

Lateralus · 09-10-2008, 01:05 PM

No, this would just create a two-class society. They just need to fight it out until one side submits.

Magic Poriferan · 09-10-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

They just need to fight it out until one side submits.

In summary: They will eliminate each other.

Lateralus · 09-10-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

In summary: They will eliminate each other.

Probably not. But if a culture is so stubborn that it won't change, even when faced with oblivion, I say let them.

Oberon · 09-10-2008, 04:38 PM

If the Palestinians and their allies would quit attacking, the sporadic fighting would end. The Israelis would gladly live and let live... they need Palis like we in the US need Mexicans.

IlyaK1986 · 09-10-2008, 08:48 PM

A bi-national state? You mean Israel's national suicide? Funny. No.

If the Palestinians wouldn't attack, Israel would have no need to resort to the tactics it does.

If it had been the Israelis with the rocks and poorly guided rockets and rifles and the Palestinians with the tanks and fighter jets, everyone knows there'd be no Israel.

But I say the world's opinion is hypocrisy anyway. America manifested its own destiny by kicking a lot of Indian and Mexican ass. Remember that in the beginning, everything west of the 13 colonies was uncivilized aside from a few Spanish colonies in California.

So too do I think Israel has the right to manifest its own destiny.

Night · 09-10-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by passingby

hi

do you think a bi-national state in israel will bring peace between palestine and israelis?

In doing so, you're eroding the sense of autonomy each is willing to sacrifice generations of soldiers to "protect".

Not a realistic negotiation to broker.

AllAboutSoul · 09-11-2008, 04:26 AM

Nope, not till Jesus comes. No peace till then. This was said by a Palestinian Christian when asked if there would ever be peace there.

I agree with him.

passingby · 09-12-2008, 12:59 PM

I'm in accord with the fact that Israel won't easily be prepared to give up their one Jewish state goal nor will Palestine give up their national identity. Both sides would have to agree in order to make this work. And I think it's far fetched anyway.

But what if the US government stop aiding Israel and open votes for all people living there? Another question, even if a binational state does become a reality, under what ever circumstances, do you think it will bring peace? And why?

Many thanks

IlyaK1986 · 09-12-2008, 01:56 PM

Anyone that thinks the U.S. will end its support of Israel is a fool.

Put it this way: if Israel was this evil nation that Palestinians made it out to be, they wouldn't be alive to cry about how evil it is. They'd all be dead by carpet bombing and tank shelling.

Palestinians try to murder civilians. Israelis use percision guided bombs to try and minimize collateral damage.

The burden of peace is NOT on Israel.

Edit: If there were two states, the only way there'd be peace is if the Palestinians stopped attacking Israel. The end. But that won't happen, because most Palestinians hate Israel anyway.

09-10-2008, 01:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
passingby Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Type: Posts: 14	bi-national state hi do you think a bi-national state in israel will bring peace between palestine and israelis?

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Lateralus Crazy Bean Join Date: May 2007 Type: ENTJ Posts: 2,795	No, this would just create a two-class society. They just need to fight it out until one side submits. __________________ It's all about me.

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AllAboutSoul It's always something... Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INFJ Location: in a hollowy place Posts: 1,416	Nope, not till Jesus comes. No peace till then. This was said by a Palestinian Christian when asked if there would ever be peace there. I agree with him. __________________ "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay one invincible summer."

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09-10-2008, 08:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
IlyaK1986 Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Type: ENTJ Posts: 394	A bi-national state? You mean Israel's national suicide? Funny. No. If the Palestinians wouldn't attack, Israel would have no need to resort to the tactics it does. If it had been the Israelis with the rocks and poorly guided rockets and rifles and the Palestinians with the tanks and fighter jets, everyone knows there'd be no Israel. But I say the world's opinion is hypocrisy anyway. America manifested its own destiny by kicking a lot of Indian and Mexican ass. Remember that in the beginning, everything west of the 13 colonies was uncivilized aside from a few Spanish colonies in California. So too do I think Israel has the right to manifest its own destiny.

09-12-2008, 12:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
passingby Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Type: Posts: 14	I'm in accord with the fact that Israel won't easily be prepared to give up their one Jewish state goal nor will Palestine give up their national identity. Both sides would have to agree in order to make this work. And I think it's far fetched anyway. But what if the US government stop aiding Israel and open votes for all people living there? Another question, even if a binational state does become a reality, under what ever circumstances, do you think it will bring peace? And why? Many thanks

09-12-2008, 01:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
IlyaK1986 Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Type: ENTJ Posts: 394	Anyone that thinks the U.S. will end its support of Israel is a fool. Put it this way: if Israel was this evil nation that Palestinians made it out to be, they wouldn't be alive to cry about how evil it is. They'd all be dead by carpet bombing and tank shelling. Palestinians try to murder civilians. Israelis use percision guided bombs to try and minimize collateral damage. The burden of peace is NOT on Israel. Edit: If there were two states, the only way there'd be peace is if the Palestinians stopped attacking Israel. The end. But that won't happen, because most Palestinians hate Israel anyway.