The "Guns Are Evil" vs. "Guns Are Good" Thread

[Xander]

Err am I right in thinking that a "right minded bloke" perspective is needed?

Blokes... naturally polygamous. Also naturally violent. That's the old instincts. Guns are just the new knives... Least with a few toy guns we can make believe that there's still some place in this cotton wool world where natural aggression has a place.

[FemmeUrbane]

Originally Posted by Jack Flak

Jesus H. Christmas Carolers.

That's the point of arguments, you toss them out there, and people get to destroy them if they want to.

And I can back them up. Is that not the point of a debate? Y'all try to debunk, and I counter?

Which I and others have already done to yours, believe me. You don't see it, because you're using the part of your brain which Just knows it's right, because you feel it so strongly. 'S called F, FYI.

You're using that, too, darlin' - especially with that "destruction" there.

Being that I've already explained why your position is silly (Again, as others have too), I don't think I'll make progress with you by doing it again. Adios.

No, you have not proved anything other than I've made you mad, which made you simplify/dumb-down my argument (and changed it) so sloppily, and commented on the sloppy translation. This is a cheap move that angry people use when trying to argue. AND you even tried to use my "ENFP" status against me. LOL ad hominem!

All that weak F inside...

[Xander]

Thinking on the whole melee vs ranged... personally I'd rather be ruled by those cunning enough to develop the ultimate weapon than those strong enough to hit hard.. let's face it the king would almost assuredly have brain damage!!!

[FemmeUrbane]

Originally Posted by Xander

Err am I right in thinking that a "right minded bloke" perspective is needed?

Blokes... naturally polygamous. Also naturally violent. That's the old instincts. Guns are just the new knives... Least with a few toy guns we can make believe that there's still some place in this cotton wool world where natural aggression has a place.

So... if your wife got pregnant by another man... would you be violent? Ya know... mad, sad, disappointed... jealous...?

Trust me, I'm not arguing that man isn't violent. I'm talking about original intention. Why does no one understand that? Guess no one's taken a philosophy course or something....

You guys are very simplistic. Plz think.

[JocktheMotie]

Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane

Don't be ridiculous.

By my logic, because humans have monogamous feelings (jealousy, fulfillment with one person, etc), it insinuates a need for monogamy.

Anyway, what does marriage have to do with guns?

It has nothing to do with guns. But the analogy is the same. You're arguing that because feelings exist for something, that is the right and correct mode of operation, and anything that goes against that feeling is evil. Which is completely preposterous. I have urges and feelings to have sex with every hot looking female that walks by me. But I don't. I guess that restraint is evil. I want nothing more than to sit by a fire and read great books in the mountains somewhere for the rest of my life, but I don't, because I need a job and would like to have kids someday. I guess that's pretty evil.

And if you say my examples are ridiculous, that's basically your argument that you're defeating.

[kendoiwan]

Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane

I provided a reason as to why I believed that hand to hand was more civilized: it kept the intimate/human aspect in killing. Guns subtract that element - it can be distant. Again, this is semantics.

And yes, less casualties is a good thing. However, it is still casualties. It does not change the nature/original intent of guns because it is still casualties.

Unless you're going to argue that killing is evil then this argument doesn't hold much weight, logically speaking. People will kill, with or without a gun. You're essentially arguing weapons are evil because they are made to kill. I'm arguing people will kill with or without a gun, and there is no "civilized" or "uncivilized" way to kill.

That's why I was asking questions about these people. This isn't common knowledge. Killing people isn't a mundane occurrence for most of us.

I still highly doubt this is a fact... you can become desensitized... but the effect is still there, I would think.

Just because you didn't know it doesn't mean it isn't common knowledge.

Just because you are unaware of something or it doesn't fit into your paradigm of how the world should be doesn't make it any less of a fact.

Talk to anyone who has killed and they will all tell you the same thing, 9 out of 10.

[Jack Flak]

Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane

And I can back them up. Is that not the point of a debate? Y'all try to debunk, and I counter?

You're serious, aren't you.

Possession of an opinion isn't debate. You're not debating, you're saying "I don't like this." You can't debate what someone does and doesn't like. What you can do is say "It doesn't matter what you like," which is what I did. And I already explained why it doesn't matter.

[kendoiwan]

Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane

Don't be ridiculous.

By my logic, because humans have monogamous feelings (jealousy, fulfillment with one person, etc), it insinuates a need for monogamy.

That is psychologically false btw. Monogamy is a societal construct, useful for keeping in order who raises what child.

[FemmeUrbane]

Originally Posted by JocktheMotie

It has nothing to do with guns. But the analogy is the same. You're arguing that because feelings exist for something, that is the right and correct mode of operation, and anything that goes against that feeling is evil. Which is completely preposterous. I have urges and feelings to have sex with every hot looking female that walks by me. But I don't. I guess that restraint is evil. I want nothing more than to sit by a fire and read great books in the mountains somewhere for the rest of my life, but I don't, because I need a job and would like to have kids someday. I guess that's pretty evil.

And if you say my examples are ridiculous, that's basically your argument that you're defeating.

Is it just me, or did you really just fly by all your linkages within your comment...?

Urge to have sex ---> urge to have kids
Urge to have sex with hot women ---> urge to have kids [with fertile female, which increases the change you'll have sex]
You don't have sex with all these hot women because you need a job... rape would probably negate this... and this is not the best way to form a family... as 100000 women would be hard to provide for with their 100000 kids. Right?

Come on. Think a little!

[FemmeUrbane]

Originally Posted by Jack Flak

You're serious, aren't you.

Possession of an opinion isn't debate. You're not debating, you're saying "I don't like this." You can't debate what someone does and doesn't like. What you can do is say "It doesn't matter what you like," which is what I did. And I already explained why it doesn't matter.

I just said I was curious about guns... how can you say that I said I don't like them?

I debated a logical point. I have yet to see you do the same.