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    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    So, if I start a gang that spans several states, Synarch's Synners, and we exhibit a pattern of criminality, which results in indictment for racketeering, our property should not be seized if membership in the gang has been determined as belonging to a criminal conspiracy under RICO?

    Conspiracy law dictates exactly what you see here. If you associate with known criminals, you open yourself up to conspiracy charges.
    Not until after conviction.
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    We have an idea in the U.S. called innocent until proven guilty. At least that was the plan.

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    Assets used in the commission of a crime, in this case criminal conspiracy, are seized at the time of arrest.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Assets used in the commission of a crime, in this case criminal conspiracy, are seized at the time of arrest.
    assets of people who aren't being indicted? and it's debatable whether or not the patch is actually used in commission of a crime. Let alone anything with the symbol on it. Banners? Motorcycles?
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Assets used in the commission of a crime, in this case criminal conspiracy, are seized at the time of arrest.
    Not always. Siezure of assets under civil forfeiture statutes doesn't require that anyone be charged with a crime. It can even be done without anyone being arrested.

    You might want to read up on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Assets used in the commission of a crime, in this case criminal conspiracy, are seized at the time of arrest.
    Constitutionally, there are to be returned if there is no conviction. You aren't supposed to be able to seize assets unless 1) they are evidence (which is supposed to be returned after the legal proceedings are finished); or 2) there is a conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Not always. Siezure of assets under civil forfeiture statutes doesn't require that anyone be charged with a crime. It can even be done without anyone being arrested.

    You might want to read up on it.
    This is straight-up thievery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    This is straight-up thievery.
    I'm with you on that. Preach it, brother.

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