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    Senior Member Eileen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I can agree with this.


    What I find funny as European is that on every US presidential elections our media are saying how Domocrats have a new messiah that will turn the country into something far more efficant, logical and in better place to live...


    The entire thing works well until few day before election. Then some pro-life activists come into play, there is a scandal of two, some voting machines breake down, some votes get lost in the chaos of voting .......

    So in the end Republicans win.


    I am not accusing someone (media or Republicans).

    Don't forget strategically placed gay marriage referendums.

    John Kerry was hardly a "messiah" figure, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post

    John Kerry was hardly a "messiah" figure, though.

    Over here he was.

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    Heh, "Oh look a candidate who is not Bush. Our hero!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Heh, "Oh look a candidate who is not Bush. Our hero!"
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    I mean, the polls say he is up and all that... but is he really going to win?

    I mean, don't u guys get a sense that something will happen?

    Like, he gets assassinated, or another hanging chad controversy or something similiar.

    I seriously expect something like that to happen...
    If he wins, I am surprised.
    A change is a surprise.

    If he does not win, I am not surprised.
    It takes a reason to be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Exactly.
    But then anyone could have/can be a hero. And since a "hero" is someone uniquely significant (you can't mass-produce heroes), they're not a hero, even if they are a solution to a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Over here he was.
    That is a major difference between our societies. Al Gore and John Kerry (despite decent electoral showings) were disliked even by large portions of the Democratic base in the country. Michael Dukakis went from near even in the polls to being a late-night TV monologue joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    But then anyone could have/can be a hero. And since a "hero" is someone uniquely significant (you can't mass-produce heroes), they're not a hero, even if they are a solution to a problem.
    That is the whole point, it is not important where this person stands.
    Only thing that matters is what people should believe.

    Are you sure that you can't mass-produce heros?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That is the whole point, it is not important where this person stands.
    Only thing that matters is what people should believe.

    Are you sure that you can't mass-produce heros?


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    Well, as long as you're aware of it. I was just arguing over semantics. If something is common and easily found, I don't think it qualifies as a "hero". Again, that's regardless of how "good" it is.

    Let me put it this way: To me, a hero is not just someone who is extremely good. A hero must be someone who is both extremely good and extremely rare. This is why John Kerry was not a "hero", since you claim that many people could have been better than Bush, therefore Kerry was not "rare". Even Obama cannot be considered a hero by these criteria alone, since people still claim that many possibilities would be better than Bush (or McCain).
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    Obama is a Democrat that can get elected. That makes him rare, and therefore a hero.
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