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    But the prize is a little suspect at the moment.
    True, dat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    No, it isn't. It's my money, your money, his money, her money. It is not a pot we have all put together voluntarily to share. If you do not mind your money going to certain things, you should put it there. One of the worst things about an income tax is that discourages non-wealthy people from charitable giving, since they figure "the government is already spending my money on the poor, anyway."
    I really have my doubts about that, to be honest. People that are truly charitable do not make excuses not to give.
    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    That isn't right, either. Judging people based on their socioeconomic backgrounds is awful, and very un-Christian, if you ask me. Still, it's not right to call someone "wicked" if they are indignant about their own money being taken from them by force. I am not wealthy, and it would bother me. It bothers me that it happens to rich people now.

    And Jesus was crucified by a mob ranging from the poor and illiterate, the middle-class "pious" Jews, and the wealthy traitors who mixed with the Romans. Everyone is flawed, everyone is tempted, and everyone can choose to do wrong to a fellow man. What I meant when I said "Judeo-Christian trait" was that people who actually despise the wealthy and think that earthly means are a sign of wickedness actually would be considered sinful. It would be envious to resent others based on neutral traits like that, and it would be prideful to assume to judge them, as well. You can decry behavior, like cheating, stealing, oppressing, etc., but you should scrutinize your own life first (I mean the general "you," of course).
    I am wondering how familiar you are with the texts I mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    I have a problem with the notion that somehow the right to property is first and foremost, but it's probably my quasi-Buddhist/Christian outlook on life that stuff is not the fucking point, and money is just a fabrication (and my subsequent socialist leanings)... one that people end up hoarding and exploiting other people to get.
    The right to property is one of the ones that makes life worth living. You can always renounce your worldly possessions in a free world. You can't renounce being stepped on by totalitarians. In actuality, it's the communists and socialists who are obsessed with money, since they can't stand that some people have way more of it than others. Communism especially is completely materialist, according to Marx and Engels. You can chuck it all under liberal democracy and free market capitalism and still live your life. People do it all the time. Money is not a "fabrication," though. Money represents utility, the power to get things done in the world. It can be used for good or for ill, but it has no inherent utility. It only has what we as humans put into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I really have my doubts about that, to be honest. People that are truly charitable do not make excuses not to give.
    You have a point, but surely it is far easier (and socially useful) for someone with $1 billion in the bank to donate half than it is for someone with $30,000 in the bank. Wealthy people give more to charity by percentage than do poor people, and Americans (with lower individual income tax rates) give more than do Europeans.

    I am wondering how familiar you are with the texts I mentioned.
    Considering that I've read the entire Bible (well, the version that I own), I would say I am fairly familiar. The verse from the Book of James refers to treating one's workers well and not cheating them their wages?
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Just though I'd post this. Looks like McCain likes Obama maybe a little too much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The right to property is one of the ones that makes life worth living. You can always renounce your worldly possessions in a free world. You can't renounce being stepped on by totalitarians. In actuality, it's the communists and socialists who are obsessed with money, since they can't stand that some people have way more of it than others. Communism especially is completely materialist, according to Marx and Engels. You can chuck it all under liberal democracy and free market capitalism and still live your life. People do it all the time. Money is not a "fabrication," though. Money represents utility, the power to get things done in the world. It can be used for good or for ill, but it has no inherent utility. It only has what we as humans put into it.
    Wow that makes sense. The culture of materialism we're so polluted with is particularly bad with many among the left, which would explain their preference for socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Wow that makes sense. The culture of materialism we're so polluted with is particularly bad with many among the left, which would explain their preference for socialism.
    do you know why california has a budget shortfall?

    do you know who our taxes subsidize?

    tell me the right answer, and u get a prize.

    Federal Taxes: Californias share of the nations $1.8 trillion tax burden climbed sharply to 14.1 percent in fiscal year 2002 from 13.5 percent in 2001 and 12.8 percent in 2000.
    here's a big hint to the biggest redistribution of income around. its called federalism.

    California's Balance of Payments with the Federal Treasury, 1981-2002

    Why are states like California, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts subsidizing states like Kentucky, North Dakota, and Oklahoma? Answer that question in regards to your penchant for classifying ideology with redistribution of income, and you get a special prize homie.

    Federal Balance of Payments Per Capita, by State statistics - USA Census numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Corporate welfare is not seen as a problem, but helping the needy is a horrible wrong. I do not understand why the Religious Right seems just fine with this when there is so much in the Bible about caring for the widow, the orphan, the alien, the land, and not exploiting the poor and about the not-infrequent wickedness of the rich.
    I'm all for helping the needy, but wealth redistribution (implicitly at gunpoint) for the purpose of operating a welfare system is not the same as Christian charity. It comes from a different impulse and operates by way of a different dynamic. There's a big ethical difference between giving your own money to the poor and giving somebody else's money to the poor.

    Politically conservative people as a group give more to charity than the politically liberal. This is the conclusion of the book Who Really Cares? by Arthur C. Brooks, a professor of public policy at Syracuse University. You can accuse conservatives of being wrong-headed about this issue, but at least they're willing to put their money where their mouth is.

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    Can I accuse them of having more money?
    "The only time I'm wrong is when I'm questioning myself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am always very careful to remember that paranoia is psychological preparation to attack.
    Victor, do you have a fire extinguisher in your home?

    If so... and you should... I would not argue that you're paranoid. I would say that you are prepared against the tiny likelihood that you will one day have to put out a small fire before it becomes a big one.

    Rational risk assessment is not paranoia.

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