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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Ayrab View Post
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    The first translation of the Greek Bible into Latin was called the Vulgate.

    It was written for the vulgar.

    And the vulgar are always with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The first translation of the Greek Bible into Latin was called the Vulgate.

    It was written for the vulgar.

    And the vulgar are always with us.
    You learn something new every day.

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    Wow, you guys really know how to derail a thread.

    Let's get it on topic or take it to a new thread. Haight 4:20

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    All right. Well then carry on with your politics, guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    This is crap. There is nothing socially or economically Darwinian about freedom. Never has been, never will be. Caring for your fellow man can only happen voluntarily. There is no such thing as charity with other people's money and time.
    It's not other people's money. It's our money. I do not mind my tax money going to help other people. There are many, many worse places for it.
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    I think you're wrong on that point, too (if you are including libertarians and small-government conservatives in this grouping). Everyone knows corporate welfare is wrong. It's one of the most despised things that the government does. Why does it still happen? The government is so powerful that corporations spend billions a year lobbying, trying to get in good with them, getting them to write friendly regulations, etc.
    Right, the conservatives in the strictest sense are as you say, but that has gotten very, very lost on the majority of the Religious Right. They do not think that far or something.

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    Also, there is nothing inherently wicked about being rich, and anyone who says otherwise has hatred and envy in their hearts. Not very Judeo-Christian traits, if you ask me.
    There is nothing inherently wicked about the rich, no, but it is the rich who, when they happen to be wicked, have the power to do a great deal of harm that often the poor wicked do not. There is also nothing inherently wicked about the poor, but how often are the poor treated as though the are wicked simply because they are poor?

    I do not know what is meant by a Judeo-Christian trait but I am talking about what it says in the Bible about the oppression of the poor and helpless by those rich who happen to be wicked. It just seems odd to me that those many who put such great faith in the Bible pay so little attention to last four books of Moses, the gospels, and James.

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    Cafe, you kick ass at loving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    It's not other people's money. It's our money. I do not mind my tax money going to help other people. There are many, many worse places for it.
    No, it isn't. It's my money, your money, his money, her money. It is not a pot we have all put together voluntarily to share. If you do not mind your money going to certain things, you should put it there. One of the worst things about an income tax is that discourages non-wealthy people from charitable giving, since they figure "the government is already spending my money on the poor, anyway."


    Right, the conservatives in the strictest sense are as you say, but that has gotten very, very lost on the majority of the Religious Right. They do not think that far or something.
    Most of those people don't think very much at all. They take everything on faith, not just religion. Not smart.


    There is nothing inherently wicked about the rich, no, but it is the rich who, when they happen to be wicked, have the power to do a great deal of harm that often the poor wicked do not. There is also nothing inherently wicked about the poor, but how often are the poor treated as though the are wicked simply because they are poor?
    That isn't right, either. Judging people based on their socioeconomic backgrounds is awful, and very un-Christian, if you ask me. Still, it's not right to call someone "wicked" if they are indignant about their own money being taken from them by force. I am not wealthy, and it would bother me. It bothers me that it happens to rich people now.


    I do not know what is meant by a Judeo-Christian trait but I am talking about what it says in the Bible about the oppression of the poor and helpless by those rich who happen to be wicked. It just seems odd to me that those many who put such great faith in the Bible pay so little attention to last four books of Moses, the gospels, and James.

    (Sorry Haight. Had to stop in the middle of this to pick up a kid from the library.)
    And Jesus was crucified by a mob ranging from the poor and illiterate, the middle-class "pious" Jews, and the wealthy traitors who mixed with the Romans. Everyone is flawed, everyone is tempted, and everyone can choose to do wrong to a fellow man. What I meant when I said "Judeo-Christian trait" was that people who actually despise the wealthy and think that earthly means are a sign of wickedness actually would be considered sinful. It would be envious to resent others based on neutral traits like that, and it would be prideful to assume to judge them, as well. You can decry behavior, like cheating, stealing, oppressing, etc., but you should scrutinize your own life first (I mean the general "you," of course).
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    I have a problem with the notion that somehow the right to property is first and foremost, but it's probably my quasi-Buddhist/Christian outlook on life that stuff is not the fucking point, and money is just a fabrication (and my subsequent socialist leanings)... one that people end up hoarding and exploiting other people to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    I have a problem with the notion that somehow the right to property is first and foremost, but it's probably my quasi-Buddhist/Christian outlook on life that stuff is not the fucking point, and money is just a fabrication (and my subsequent socialist leanings)... one that people end up hoarding and exploiting other people to get.
    An excellent point, and the Chinese government would back you up on that, right after they bulldoze an ancient farming village to install a power plant.

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