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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Our standing in the world will improve if Barack Obama is president of the United States.
    Which is even less of a reason to vote for someone than their potentially encouraging some aggressive country/group to instigate some crisis in order to test their resolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Our standing in the world will improve if Barack Obama is president of the United States.
    I'm not sure that we should be voting for our presidents based on what the WORLD thinks.

    Sure, we're far from perfect, but we're a hell of lot better than some other countries in the world. So why should we take their advice?

    I don't want to base my choices nor do I want my country to base its choices around what other countries think. I want my country to be independent enough to act on what it thinks is right for itself.

    Sure, we need to maintain good relations, but at what cost? Despite what you think about Obama or McCain, I don't think it would be a good thing to make a decision because of outside/international influences. Why don't we just let them run the country then if we're going to do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I'm not sure that we should be voting for our presidents based on what the WORLD thinks.

    Sure, we're far from perfect, but we're a hell of lot better than some other countries in the world. So why should we take their advice?

    I don't want to base my choices nor do I want my country to base its choices around what other countries think. I want my country to be independent enough to act on what it thinks is right for itself.
    Our standing in the international community certainly has something to do with foreign policy and homeland security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I'm not sure that we should be voting for our presidents based on what the WORLD thinks.
    Yeah, it's imo, completely silly. I don't want to live in socialist Europe or communist China or religious-terrorist "Arabia," and I'd prefer not to let them decide who leads the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Our standing in the international community certainly has something to do with foreign policy and homeland security.
    I added in an edit above. I'll say it again.

    I agree foreign policy and homeland security is important and we want to maintain good relations with the world, but would you be willing to sacrifice your judgment because of it?

    I'm not disputing your belief about Obama. Maybe it would improve our standing. I don't know.

    But in the end, countries have always hated us and they'll continue to hate us whether a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House. They don't care about that.

    All I'm saying is that I've heard a lot from people about why I should vote this way or that and many of the reasons have to do TOO MUCH with what other countries think. I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I added in an edit above. I'll say it again.

    I agree foreign policy and homeland security is important and we want to maintain good relations with the world, but would you be willing to sacrifice your judgment because of it?

    I'm not disputing your belief about Obama. Maybe it would improve our standing. I don't know.

    But in the end, countries have always hated us and they'll continue to hate us whether a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House. They don't care about that.

    All I'm saying is that I've heard a lot from people about why I should vote this way or that and many of the reasons have to do TOO MUCH with what other countries think. I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with that.

    Well, it's certainly not the only reason I'm voting for Obama. But I think it's important enough to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Which is even less of a reason to vote for someone than their potentially encouraging some aggressive country/group to instigate some crisis in order to test their resolve.
    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I'm not sure that we should be voting for our presidents based on what the WORLD thinks.

    Sure, we're far from perfect, but we're a hell of lot better than some other countries in the world. So why should we take their advice?

    I don't want to base my choices nor do I want my country to base its choices around what other countries think. I want my country to be independent enough to act on what it thinks is right for itself.

    Sure, we need to maintain good relations, but at what cost? Despite what you think about Obama or McCain, I don't think it would be a good thing to make a decision because of outside/international influences. Why don't we just let them run the country then if we're going to do that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Yeah, it's imo, completely silly. I don't want to live in socialist Europe or communist China or religious-terrorist "Arabia," and I'd prefer not to let them decide who leads the USA.
    Henry Kissinger has a big slap for all of you.
    I can't believe how much Americans have bastardized diplomacy.

    Anyway, Obama is also dragging us out of Iraq. He's also actually going to attempt negotiation with other leaders, in case anyone has forgotten that word.

    Foreign policy makes a big difference, and it sounds to me like Obama's policy is better than McCain's in about every. His foreign policy was actually the main reason I thought he had better ideas than Hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Henry Kissinger has a big slap for all of you.
    I can't believe how much Americans have bastardized diplomacy.

    Anyway, Obama is also dragging us out of Iraq. He's also actually going to attempt negotiation with other leaders, in case anyone has forgotten that word.

    Foreign policy makes a big difference, and it sounds to me like Obama's policy is better than McCain's in about every. His foreign policy was actually the main reason I thought he had better ideas than Hillary.
    WTF, dude?

    I never once said anything negative about Obama. How do you know I'm not voting for him?

    I just said that I didn't want that to be the base for my decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Well, it's certainly not the only reason I'm voting for Obama. But I think it's important enough to consider.
    Duly noted.

    I've just been hearing that a lot as of late and thought it needed to be addressed.

    I wasn't disputing Obama nor was I disputing foreign policy's importance.

    Just that we don't need to sacrifice our own judgment about whats best for the country just to get along with the other kids in the neighborhood.

    If it came down to that, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    He's also actually going to attempt negotiation with other leaders, in case anyone has forgotten that word.
    Negotiation to what end, and at what cost (my apologies to BMS)? Anti-Americanism was rampant long before the Bush administration because we refused to be pressured into adopting policies we disagreed with. If staying out of the Kyoto Protocools and International Criminal Court hurts our standing, then so be it.

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