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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    That's a bunch of crap. Most people still know very little about Palin
    So? Do you believe that we are suddenly going to hear all about her, and when we do, we'll all just love her? People know enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    and McCain selecting her will likely not have much of an effect one way or the other. Response in polls taken about Palin have been very positive for the most part, though.
    No. Recent polling has found she's now more of a liability than an aid, and she's a heavy liability among moderates, which are the people that will make this election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    There has been no "OMG now that I know her I totally cant vote for McCain!" sentiment outside of media blowhards.
    Wrong again. That's exactly what happened. Just look at the Katie Couric interview for instance. That had people everywhere cringe, and caused a wave of second guesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    And your second paragraph is also not true. The election isn't currently doing anything, as the polls aren't open. There is early voting, but the overwhelming majority of people still vote on election day, and the only polls that matter are the ones in the individual states that day when people actually cast their ballots.
    So in otherwords, you are just denouncing the entire practice of polling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    There are still several states in the "toss up" category and several others where one candidate's lead in polls is very slim. The nationwide spread is meaningless as the popular vote does not determine the winner anyway.
    Indeed, the popular vote is meaningless. But as for the electoral vote, Obama is winning hard right now. the only thing Obama needs to win, are all the the states Kerry had, + New Mexico, Iowa, and Colorado. Well, in all of Kerry's states, as well as New Mexico and Iowa, Obama has more than a leaning lead. So all he needs is Colorado. That being said, he has slight leads in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, Missouri, an increasingly substantial lead in Virginia, and serious competition in North Carolina, Indiana, and West Virginia. A lot of those states are worth so much, that Obama could afford to lose New Mexico and Colorada if he took one of them. Just one. So let's say that they were all 50/50, just for McCain's sake. What do you think the odds are that they will all go for McCain? Because right now, if every contested state when to McCain (this includes Colorado, which many organizations no longer consider contested) McCain would only barely win. That's how bad it is for him right now. He has to change that in about two weeks, with no major campaign event left on the schedule. Never mind the fact that the environment is stacked against him. Do you reasonably think McCain win, short of an incredibly lucky break?
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    For starters, I am black.

    Secondly, I happen to know a lot of black people (duh). There are people who make informed decisions, and there are people who don't The ones who don't, don't know wth is at stake with this presidential election, or just what these candidates are likely to do with their power. So frankly, you end up with a lot of uninformed black people who follow the other black people because they themselves don't have a great insight on the issue.

    *And I'm not saying such ignorance is exclusive to black people or democrats though, I'm just pointing out how it is manifested this time around for the uninformed percentage of black people. All groups of people follow similar patterns unless they're informed enough to make their own intelligent decisions.*

    And what would the status quo be for for most of them?
    1. Vote democrat.
    2. Vote for the black guy.

    Combine that with how the democrat party tries to reach out to the minds of younger generations, and people's hopes for "CHANGE", and it's easy to see why we get sucked into the brainwashing.

    Then you have people who genuinely like Obama's socialist attitude, both blacks and whites, and thus vote for him because they are well informed... and like it.

    Collin Powell... I don't know a lot about Collin Powell, I'll admit that. I was making a stereotypical judgment on his decision making, mostly for humor. I wont actually sit and try to argue that an individual is voting based on race unless I actually know something about them. Do I think it's likely he may switch parties because of Obama's race and the pressure from other black people and special interest groups? Yes. Do I know that for sure? I sure don't .

    Folks, race is very much still alive in the minds of us all. As long as we see each other as being of a different race and a different culture, we will always experience that divide. It's a natural law. As long as humans have reason to separate themselves into groups, by whatever criteria, we will always be divided and discriminating. To think that race wouldn't be an issue is to delude yourself, and ignore the reality. That in itself feeds the core problem. Hence, the white people who vote for Obama BECAUSE he's black, and it makes them feel good (like people who buy $40 canvas bags to use at the grocery store... once or twice a year). Such a grave disparity between what the reality in the subconscious of human beings is, and what we choose to BELIEVE is in our minds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Do you know anyone who has decided who to vote for based on another person's endorsement?
    You're asking a question that most people likely don't know the answer to either way. So my answer is no, but it doesn't mean anything. It's like asking, "Do you know anyone that has ever owned a red car?" and trying to prove that people don't drive red cars. I may not know of one specifically, but I'm sure that people I know have owned red cars in the past. The question is moot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Sensible people know that the links between Obama and Ayers/Wright are so tenuous as to verge on total irrelevance.
    So are you saying that the proof of all the money exchanged between them is tenuous, or that tens of thousands of dollars exchanged between a politician and someone with an embarrassingly crackpot belief system isn't so bad?
    I don't wanna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Party in the streets!

    This is something I just don't understand. Even if my guy (Ron Paul) won the election, I wouldn't be partying. I just don't understand the hero worship. Is it a reaction to how bad of a president Bush has been? Or do people really want to lick Obama's nuts this badly?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is something I just don't understand. Even if my guy (Ron Paul) won the election, I wouldn't be partying. I just don't understand the hero worship. Is it a reaction to how bad of a president Bush has been? Or do people really want to lick Obama's nuts this badly?
    Like a lollipop .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is something I just don't understand. Even if my guy (Ron Paul) won the election, I wouldn't be partying.
    I'd be awestruck. And demanding a recount.


    just don't understand the hero worship. Is it a reaction to how bad of a president Bush has been? Or do people really want to lick Obama's nuts this badly?
    Yes and yes.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    So are you saying that the proof of all the money exchanged between them is tenuous, or that tens of thousands of dollars exchanged between a politician and someone with an embarrassingly crackpot belief system isn't so bad?
    Seeing as how the city of Chicago named Ayers man of the year in 1997, I don't think he's such a radical these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is something I just don't understand. Even if my guy (Ron Paul) won the election, I wouldn't be partying. I just don't understand the hero worship. Is it a reaction to how bad of a president Bush has been? Or do people really want to lick Obama's nuts this badly?
    Voting for the candidate that you hate the least should at least merit being included on such a list!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Seeing as how the city of Chicago named Ayers man of the year in 1997, I don't think he's such a radical these days.
    Wow....

    Obama has sooo many socialist, communist, and marxist associations he's tried to hide. To see that crap is irrelevant is nuts. If it were only one person with a loose connection to Obama, I'd say it was somewhat irrelevant too, just as I did when reports like this started to roll out early in the race. However, as time went on a very definite pattern of Obama associating with extreme people like that has shown itself, and it goes far away from irrelevance.

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