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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    I never understood why McCain did not change his party affiliation to Independent. His maverick views and ideation would have fit in far better than attempting to appeal to the far right and Chrisitian Conservatives. McCain has been fighting several battles even before the general election and has become lost on his attempt to fit in. It's too bad that we did not get a chance to truly hear his views from his point and not the GOP's point. As for Senator Obama he is not out of the water yet. No one should underestimate the Bradley/Wilder Effect.
    How could you underestimate the Bradley/Wilder Effect? It's been shown to be complete BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Do you know what profit margin is?

    I don't shed a tear for them either. This isn't about emotions or what you think is 'right'. This is about what makes our economy run.
    What's the point in having a running economy, unless running economies are what we think is right?

    EDIT: To spell it out. Every suggestion you have for what society should do has some basis in what you think is "right".
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    How could you underestimate the Bradley/Wilder Effect? It's been shown to be complete BS.
    Not sure what you mean by BS. If you are alluding to the theory as to why the outcome changed, then I consider it plausible but no evidence to support it. What is fact is that Tom Bradley and Douglas Wilder were both leading considerably in the polls up through the day of the elections, but both lost their races. There could be many explanations for the outcome with the Bradley Effect merely being one. However to dismiss it as BS is interesting. Do you have evidence that combats the theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    What's the point in having a running economy, unless running economies are what we think is right?

    EDIT: To spell it out. Every suggestion you have for what society should do has some basis in what you think is "right".
    What people think is 'right' often contradicts what is maximally efficient.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    What people think is 'right' often contradicts what is maximally efficient.
    Dumping toxic waste in my drinking water is fairly efficient, and economical to boot.

    Efficient is not always the best of goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
    Dumping toxic waste in my drinking water is fairly efficient, and economical to boot.

    Efficient is not always the best of goals.
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
    Dumping toxic waste in my drinking water is fairly efficient, and economical to boot.

    Efficient is not always the best of goals.
    It's not when you get sued out of existence for doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    It's not when you get sued out of existence for doing it.
    Exactamundo! We had to -make- it inefficient to keep it closer to "right".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    What people think is 'right' often contradicts what is maximally efficient.
    So, what of maximal efficiency? Can I presume you are saying it is what should be acheived by our society?

    If that is what you meant, then why would you care about achieving maximal efficiency unless you think it is the right thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
    Exactamundo! We had to -make- it inefficient to keep it closer to "right".
    Indeed. It is only inefficient because it was decided to take pro-active measures to make it inefficient, which was only done in the first place because such actions were not deemed right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
    Exactamundo! We had to -make- it inefficient to keep it closer to "right".
    How did we "have to make" it that? To the best of my knowledge, it's always been legal to sue for torts against property. I am talking about property owners being able to sue over pollution here, not the EPA or any government organization.
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