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    Default The Ayers Question: Sucker Move?

    What's your opinion? Is Obama setting himself up... or setting up McCain?

    McCain to Obama: I Have 'Guts' to Bring Up Ayers

    Speaking to a St. Louis radio station on Tuesday, John McCain said that Barack Obama's recent suggestion that McCain does not have guts to raise the Bill Ayers issue to his face "probably ensured" that the former Weather Underground leader will come up in Wednesday's final presidential debate.

    "You have another debate coming up. The final debate. Many of your supporters are eager for you to confront Senator Obama on the Bill Ayers relationship in particular. Hillary Clinton even brought this up during the primary. Sen. Obama says you should have the guts to do it in person. So will you?" McCain was asked by KMOX's Mark Reardon.

    "Oh yeah," said McCain. "You know, I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised for me to have the guts to do that. Because the fact is that the question did not come up in that fashion so--you know--I think he's probably ensured that it will come up this time."

    McCain's indignation was provoked by Obama telling ABC News' Charles Gibson last week that McCain was not willing to level the Ayers attack to his face.

    "Well, I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn't willing to say it to my face," said Obama...
    In either case, trap or not, it looks like McCain is walking right into it.
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    Well there's no sign that the Ayer's attacks are helping McCain at all. In fact, the polls just keep going down for him. That's probably mostly due to the economy, but it's easily possible that the attacks are hurting his image a little as well.

    You might recall that before the surge the convention and picking Palin, McCain was getting flack for his attack ads then, too. They really don't work for him. His biggest boost came from the fact that Palin improved his own imagine, it didn't try to damage his opponents. In general, people are especially disdainful of attack ads this year, and there are a number of reasons for that. Not that Obama isn't attacking, but he is doing less than McCain, and he's doing it a lot more coolly and subtley.

    So over-all, I think McCain gets nothing out of the focus going on Ayers. It may really have been a ploy by Obama, because it's obvious that McCain needs to use something else. Any more time spent on Ayers is to Obama's benefit. It's free time.
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    It doesn't really matter what McCain will bring up, Obama will dance around the question with his usual convoluted eloquence.
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    It obviously doesn't matter if the President is friends with a terrorist. It didn't hurt Bush.
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    Yeah, a cynic (who? me?) would argue that being able to work with terrorists is a prerequisite for the job. I am ready to hate-vomit from this election coverage, BTW.
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    Displaying someone's dirty laundry is like a low blow in a fight. While Obama is talking about issues people want to hear about, all McCain can do is throw personal attacks. Also, using the word "terrorist" to describe Bill Ayers is IMO a huge faux pas, since it's implying he's as bad as Hamas or al Qaeda. We've had terrorism in the past, but back then, it wasn't done in order to conquer the whole world in the name of Islam.
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    When was the last time Hamas tried to blow up the Pentagon? Bill Ayers did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    In either case, trap or not, it looks like McCain is walking right into it.
    Trap would have my vote.

    The Ayers connection is really weak and contrived, from what I can tell. This means time is against the story - it negates the impact. Also, using an old story like this gives Obama more options. He can either deflect or attack, mock or be more mature... It gives him control of the situation. Those that are familiar with the story on his side won't be influenced, those against him won't care... it is only the middle ground will be movable.

    Since I believe the story has already passsed through most of the voters (those that care), if they remain undecided, the story offers no further information. Bringing it up cannot really be advantageous unless there is a significant hook in what is brought up. However, it gives Obama pleny of time to counter it, leaving him with the options and ability to choose a response on what will gain him the most ground.

    It's a no-win trap for McCain anyway. It's also the wrong strategy for someone who is sinking. He needs something really new, powerful... something that is confusing and polarising to the middle crowd. The problem is that they used all their big guns in the start, just to keep in the running. Stuff like this is now old news, beaten news... it does not carry sufficient strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Trap would have my vote.
    +1 I think that the Reverend Wright will be brought up also, though; which might have more weight with some undecideds than Ayers does, since Barack was 8 years old when the Weathermen were operating.

    I would like to know more about the background of the story I keep seeing as a teaser on the news, but which I have yet to get the details on. These people who are supposedly being purged illegally from the ranks of who is registered.
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    Obama will probably return fire with mention of McCain's involvement in the Keating Five. The two of them deserve each other.

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