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    Default Dissecting Donald Trump

    ...with David Rubin and Scott Adams











    How Liberals Can Recover from Trump Derangement Syndrome

    The Persistence of Trump Derangement Syndrome | The New Yorker

    Do you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome? - LA Times


    In the first video I found myself nodding when Scott Adams pointed out how Trump uses tweets. Monica Crowley recently interviewed with Milo and she said something very similar. Along the lines of: 'Trump loves to throw out shinies which the press and his detracters eat up, in the meantime this buys him time, a day or 3 during which he is meeting with people and actually getting things done. It's his way to buy himself time/cover and of course all the lemmings oblige him."




    Scott's Ti NT'ness was a pleasure. Love older INTP's who have a handle on it.

    P.S. The video from Newsweek should be put up on the TypeC main page as a public mental health service imo.
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    For a while now I've believed Trump to be an artist and social media/media to be his canvas. It always amused me how easily his baiting was snatched up. Intense dislike/hate is like a drug.
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    I've said this for a while, that people spend too much time obsessing over his social media presence. It keeps attention away from whatever the executive branch is doing--I'm far more concerned with what Sessions' Justice Department is doing in regards to civil asset forfeiture, their war on drugs, etc than I am with who Trump insulted on twitter.

    I don't think Trump invented the 'celebrity president,' he's just taken it to new heights (lows?). Kennedy to some extent was a celebrity president, a lot of attention went to the whole Camelot image of the First family; Clinton and Obama were also very good at promoting themselves and knowing how to court the Hollywood/talk show/etc circuit. Difference with Trump is his methodology and presentation, he's spent a lifetime creating and selling the Trump Brand, which is far larger than any one line of ties, steaks, casinos, et al, whereas maybe Clinton and Obama were selling a brand that was less specific to their personalities, it was more a case of their public personalities being used to sell their policies and agendas. To a great extent he shows a disdain for the press whereas Obama and Clinton courted the press.
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    I disagree with Trumps ability to modulate in regard to narrow band of wrongness. As things come out about his meetings with other world leaders he sits in that narrow band of wrongness with them to. And in all honesty, that irritates and grates people and while it doesnt do short term major damage, the long term damage it will cause directed at him will come about unless he changes. Persuasion only works so far as you dont push the person over to the other side...that narrow band of wrongness is just slow pushes instead of a shove. You will grow the seeds you plant.

    His persuasion skills are obvious, but the way he does it atracts the ignorant, the corrupt, the lost faith, the blind That is not the crowd you really wanna surround yourself by. That is another seed of surrounding yourself with things that will pull you down and he is not even lifting them up either. The are mere puppets.

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    I think he is half way there, but the cup is not quite full yet. He still has more work to do. But i agree he is above the average person with his views easily.
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    The biggest cognitive dissaonance people face is when you take an action and create a person that does not fit. Like taking a statement and saying Trump is racist. He is biased, he has his reasoning based on the data he has been fed. Then when he does something positive for another race its automatically pidgeon holed into a certain reasoning as opposed to he proved himself above my bias. Or i am gonna show i am not racist by bringing in someone of a certain race i do respect.

    People lack the nuances and paint pictures based on intensity of self instead of actual data. The thing is that intensity of self is not always accurate. It can be misplaced intensity, misguided from missing data, persuaded, etc. This creates a disconnect from reality that plants the seed of cognitive dissonance. Something as simple as Trump is a billionare he is highly intelligent, therfor everything he does has an intelligent reason. That creates a cognitive dissonance when it hits that this guy is not highly intelligent. He is typical and average and thats why people love and hate him. He sees the same things and faces the same problems we all face therefore he is a "realist" as if the average person was completely aware of life itself. Talking to them its obvious they are not, its obvious what their life actually centers around. They have accepted this and are fine with it because in their mind it works and its other people who are the fault or have the issues even though i complain just as much.
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    There is a treatment for Trump derangement syndrome. Instead of watching MSNBC, CNN, ABC News, NBC News, and CBS News, one can turn to Fox News Channel and watch Bret Baier, Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity.

    For newspapers, pick up The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, or the Washington Examiner. Try listening to Rush Limbaugh’s and Mark Levin’s radio shows.

    By no means do I recommend that liberals go cold turkey on the mainstream media. They should start out by listening to conservative media for only about five minutes per day to avoid shock.
    Yeah, a huge part of our problem is that folks don't do this sort of thing already.

    Not, say, listening to Hannity necessarily. But actually getting info on the other side's perspective. Especially from the horse's mouth.

    You don't even have to be sympathetic to them in order to try to understand them. It's not even about tolerance, or the notion that their views are just as good as your own. It's just that if you're going to hold principles and all, it might be good to test them out once in a while. If your worldview is dangerously incomplete, you're going to run into exactly the sort of trouble that the article describes. Prevention of derangement is better than a treatment for derangement.

    Extra special kudos if you avoid the temptation to double down when you hear arguments against what you hold to be true. Because we tend to do that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush Did 9/11 View Post
    Yeah, a huge part of our problem is that folks don't do this sort of thing already.

    Not, say, listening to Hannity necessarily. But actually getting info on the other side's perspective. Especially from the horse's mouth.

    You don't even have to be sympathetic to them in order to try to understand them. It's not even about tolerance, or the notion that their views are just as good as your own. It's just that if you're going to hold principles and all, it might be good to test them out once in a while. If your worldview is dangerously incomplete, you're going to run into exactly the sort of trouble that the article describes. Prevention of derangement is better than a treatment for derangement.

    Extra special kudos if you avoid the temptation to double down when you hear arguments against what you hold to be true. Because we tend to do that too.

    People don't bother with this because there's at least an internal sense of
    that we could all stand to get past.
    I never see anyone mentioning that the right should be watching some MSNBC or CNN. It's always - the left should do XYZ. The left needs to understand Trump better. The left needs to get what Republicans are saying. Nah, that's all bullshit and you know it. What people should be doing is having conversations with people of other views off line. I subscribe to the WSJ, watch some Fox, One America News (even though they drank the conspiracy kool-aid), Patriot Radio and so on. Many people I know are conservative, it's simply where I live. And few of them appreciate what is happening currently any more than I do. So stop telling the left they need to "get" anything, until people on the right are prepared to do it as well.

    I would also like to dismiss the myth that any of Trump is "shocking". It's not. Nothing Trump related is shocking. The shock will come in several years when the real assessment as to what was allowed to happen to the country takes place.
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    I stopped listening after this guy switched sides because of the estate tax. It's all about me, isn't a sufficient reason to support or vote in a bigot with obvious narcissistic mental health issues who's destroying the U.S. and western democracy from every perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I would also like to dismiss the myth that any of Trump is "shocking". It's not. Nothing Trump related is shocking. The shock will come in several years when the real assessment as to what was allowed to happen to the country takes place.
    Its already happening, I heard some very interesting stuff on the BBC world service, its one of the sources which tells the truth that doesnt filter through to "pop media", and the two things of interest today where 1) there's anti-Chinese hysteria being wiped up in Australia, 2) Germany was talking about being prepared to take to the world stage as the prime mover of the international liberal order which they felt the US had abandoned.

    It sounded, really sounded, if the international movers and shakers are preparing for a post-American world, just what the hell is going to happen to or in the US which will take it out of international affairs altogether I'm not quite sure.

    Combined with some good news stories I saw on Channel 4 in the UK, which examined the state of white america besides the crazy support of crazy causes, there were lots of communities gone to slow death dependence on crystal meth and things of that kind.

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