Can I add a vote for a particular gardener of no fame?
the one who grew the flowers...
that allowed that most influential butterfly to live long enough to make its most influential flap...
that created that most influential hurricane...
that killed those who would have lived to be most influential?
Accept the past. Live for the present. Look forward to the future. Robot Fusion
"As our island of knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance." John Wheeler
"[A] scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy." Richard Feynman
"[P]etabytes of  data is not the same thing as understanding emergent mechanisms and structures." Jim Crutchfield
I'd feel compelled to include Marco Polo if Columbus is on the list- he brought back a lot of cool things to Europe that they'd never heard of (like pasta) and started up the centuries of trade and colonialism between Europeans and Asia.
And also- how about Gregor Mendel? I know that Darwin and evolution have been discussed, but Mendel is considered the father of modern genetics. I'd also include James Watt, whos steam engine pretty much started the Industrial Revoluton (and no industrial revolution means no Marx, which means no "evil empire" and so on)
Why is Columbus on that list? And how did Bluewing type him as ENTP?
Sure, Columbus is influential in the same way Hitler was, he committed genocide because he believed natives to be inferior, but he was not unique in that at least one European, Leif Ericson had found America beforehand, and that the Spanish monarchs were funding explorers. It was inevitable, although the massacre of the natives could have possibly been avoided.
EDIT: He also miscalculated the circumference of the earth by a large amount, even though the ancient Greeks had already made a more accurate calculation. And he was convinced his entire life that he'd found a route to China, and he had landed there.
"'You scoundrel, you have wronged me,' hissed the philosopher. 'May you live forever!'" - Ambrose Bierce
Well, if there ever was a topic where people would show their arrogant nationalistic/cultural/whatever biases, I guess it would be here.
Considering the top 10 people according to the History channel, why am I not surprised to see a third of English, and 100% westerners?
This list is sooooo incredibly subjective. Are the people who made it aware of that?
But the PALM of sheer arrogance goes to:
Originally Posted by BlueWing
Let me type them
As we can see, INTPs can indeed influence society profoundly indirectly, more so even posthumously.
Mmmm... Here is someone who pretends to be "logical" and who dared use the portrait of Baruch Spinoza as an avatar (just to give us an Idea how far his Ego goes)... Then, I'll ask, how could he be so sure all those people were "INTPs"? Did he use a time-travel machine just to give them a test?
And knowing that the MBTI theory is not 100% accurate, well... it's... beyond any logic, beyond any understanding... frankly perplexing.
At least, if he weren't pretending to be so deadly serious, I'll understand.
What would you say if I typed every person I liked or considered very clever as ENTPs only??? Would someone suspect a trick?
Even more laughable! :yim_rolling_on_the_
Written works can't be a serious basis to type people, because only a tiny fragment of their true personalities lies in there.
For instance, my family has known Jean-Paul Sartre VERY well (even in private). According to the enormous volume of anecdotes we have, I can tell you Sartre was a bon-vivant who enjoyed random parties and gatherings every weeks, who liked to be famous, seductive and popular (despite his age and strabism), who cheated Simone de Beauvoir with several young girls or students, who enjoyed to have dozens and dozens of acquaintances, and who was thrilled by crowds. And yet, people here type him as an Introvert?
They have read "La nausee", "Les mouches", or "Les mains sales" far too much...
I've read too that our dear Gottfried Leibniz is supposed to be an INTP... Well, Leibniz is widely known to be the philosopher of blind optimism, and his correspondences show a rather jovial, chronically happy man. The pure epitome of INTP-ness, I'd say...
We could continue like that for ever...
Show me your biases, I'll tell you who you are.
For instance, let's take this post:
Originally Posted by Opivy1980
3. James Watt
4. Eli Whitney
5. Henry Ford
6. Prince John (Magna Carta)
8. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs
9. Martin Luther
10. political philosophers (Marx, Locke, Jefferson, Robespierre) etc.
Well, I don't know the guy who did this list, but I can fairly predict he's american anglo/saxon.
"A man who only drinks water has a secret to hide from his fellow-men" -Baudelaire