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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Agreed, and he ought to quit making it the cornerstone of his message.

    Maybe I'm missing it, but he doesn't seem to be bragging that almost all his money comes from the people anymore. He's become mainstream, and appears to be taking plenty of money from the corporations now. He used the home-grown movement to propel him past Clinton and into the world where he can play the political game just like everyone else.

    I liked him more when his money came from the people, so he felt accountable to them.
    interesting.

    so obama is a sell out???

    or might be a sell out???

    would he have had a real chance if he didn't slightly sell out???

    come on man.

    the guy is a black guy in the eyes of a lot of rural america. you can't get that vote as a black guy unless u are somewhat of a policeman... hey im gonna protect you and america, kind of guy.

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    ^ yeah really, I can see how someone might see Obama as lesser of two evils and go grudgingly vote for him, but cannot see how people can get all over him after the FISA vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    interesting.

    so obama is a sell out???

    or might be a sell out???

    would he have had a real chance if he didn't slightly sell out???

    come on man.

    the guy is a black guy in the eyes of a lot of rural america. you can't get that vote as a black guy unless u are somewhat of a policeman... hey im gonna protect you and america, kind of guy.
    He's already sold his soul. No politician can get as far as he has without doing it.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    so obama is a sell out???

    would he have had a real chance if he didn't slightly sell out???
    He sold out on liberties. He was immediately reduced to another politician by doing so, rather than an agent of change. It is cause-effect, there is no degree of 'reasonable' in it.

    His unique position - race, age, wealth - might of made him a good president on its own, but the system wouldn't of allowed it. He got where he was because he was more than that. A literal rock in the gears. Then, as he got closer, it became clear he was ground down enough to let the gears keep going.

    It was a largest mistake of his campaign. He didn't need washington the way he needed the people, and he made his choice poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He's already sold his soul. No politician can get as far as he has without doing it.
    why the hell would anyone want to be a politician.

    being a dictator or a king is so much better! LOL

    no selling out necessary. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    why the hell would anyone want to be a politician.
    Because you get to be paid for being a dick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    He sold out on liberties. He was immediately reduced to another politician by doing so, rather than an agent of change. It is cause-effect, there is no degree of 'reasonable' in it.

    His unique position - race, age, wealth - might of made him a good president on its own, but the system wouldn't of allowed it. He got where he was because he was more than that. A literal rock in the gears. Then, as he got closer, it became clear he was ground down enough to let the gears keep going.

    It was a largest mistake of his campaign. He didn't need washington the way he needed the people, and he made his choice poorly.
    i never see anyone talking about liberties on television.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    i never see anyone talking about liberties on television.
    Not anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Because you get to be paid for being a dick?
    I thought that's why people became actors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    i never see anyone talking about liberties on television.
    Take away the economy and the war and the environment... and it would get more play.

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