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    Default is the american dream dead?

    is the american dream dead?

    is it just dead for you or for others?

    what is the american dream to you and do you think that your definitions line up with that of others?

    and why? (that why goes for everything really!)
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    It will remain what it always was: a myth.
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    I plan on moving to the US in the next few years. I'm going to marry an American man and I'm going to become rich. Can this be considered an "American Dream?"
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    I don't think there ever was a single American dream. The problem arises when one person isn't adhering to another persons version of the dream and that person becomes fearful and threatened. Hence oppression, marginalization and political tactics that try to force one vision of the dream on everyone else and make sure to convey that there are Americans not entitled to the dream. Because of that, if a person wants their version of the dream they have to stand up and take it from the people the mythical American Dream feel only they are entitled to.
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    I think every nation has its glorified and mythological side too it and America is not at all alone in that regard. Again I think there are many different ideas of what people want from life. For example we have the Scandinavian *Uptopia* in which poverty and violence doesnt exist and isn't truenough. Same withere the American dream.
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    What was the American Dream? Was it to have a large prosperous middle class, and still aspire for more? That's probably over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Admiral Crunch View Post
    What was the American Dream? Was it to have a large prosperous middle class, and still aspire for more? That's probably over.
    The erosion of a middle class in America has been achieved partly through neglect and mostly through what seems to be a systematic dismantling of it. If we look around, countries with no middle class are definitely not places you would want to live in unless you're the masters in ivory towers surrounded by barbed wire and heavily armed goose stepping goons. Even then we have seen what happens when the unwashed masses finally become fed up with their overlords and risk taking a bullet in the hopes of finding a better future.
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    As I understand it, the American Dream is achieving success from humble beginnings through hard work. It's being able to buy the house with the white picket fence and providing a better future for your children.

    It's on life support because of excessive, stifling government regulation and high taxes, but it's not dead.

    Examples of the American Dream (From Amy Chua's "The Triple Package"):

    1. Carlos Gutierrez immigrated to the USA from Cuba at age 6; he becomes the CEO of Kellogg.
    2. Ralph del la Vega immigrated to the USA from Cuba at age 10; he becomes CEO of AT&T.
    3. Vinod Khosla, an Indian-American immigrant, co-founded Sun Microsystems and became a billionaire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    As I understand it, the American Dream is achieving success from humble beginnings through hard work. It's being able to buy the house with the white picket fence and providing a better future for your children.

    It's on life support because of excessive, stifling government regulation and high taxes, but it's not dead.

    Examples of the American Dream (From Amy Chua's "The Triple Package"):

    1. Carlos Gutierrez immigrated to the USA from Cuba at age 6; he becomes the CEO of Kellogg.
    2. Ralph del la Vega immigrated to the USA from Cuba at age 10; he becomes CEO of AT&T.
    3. Vinod Khosla, an Indian-American immigrant, co-founded Sun Microsystems and became a billionaire.
    Well if the American dream is a rich man's paradise without any accountability besides what markets might provide on a good day then its obviously not something everyone can share in.

    BTW how is that sort of "evidence" not simply cherry picked confirmation bias?
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