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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm not wealthy, yet I'm fiscally conservative as well. I estimate that the average standard of living, even for the less-well-to-do, is lower under socialism. Look around the world.
    There's really no actual large-scale examples of pure socialism, communism, or capitalism out there.

    When it comes to standard-of-living, the center-left western nations reign supreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm not wealthy, yet I'm fiscally conservative as well. I estimate that the average standard of living, even for the less-well-to-do, is lower under socialism. Look around the world.
    Quite frankly, I don't see any point in busting my ass to get ahead under a strictly socialist system. Seriously, what's the point? I'll work hard and not do any better than the lazy bastards that I live next door to. My hard work should benefit my family much more than it benefits my next door neighbors.
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    aj: In recent history there are. Look at them! Look at them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    aj: In recent history there are. Look at them! Look at them!
    Name one. Communist Party =/= communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    Quite frankly, I don't see any point in busting my ass to get ahead under a strictly socialist system. Seriously, what's the point? I'll work hard and not do any better than the lazy bastards that I live next door to. My hard work should benefit my family much more than it benefits my next door neighbors.
    blah blah, no one here is advocating strict socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Ever since the 30's, we've been slowly leaning closer and closer to socialism, or "liberalism" I should say.
    More like from the early 1930s to about 1970. That was the golden age of liberalism, as you put it. The pendulum has been swinging back the other way ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    There's really no actual large-scale examples of pure socialism, communism, or capitalism out there.

    When it comes to standard-of-living, the center-left western nations reign supreme.
    Standard-of-living and quality-of-life ratings are always questionable, at best.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    blah blah, no one here is advocating strict socialism.
    No? Too many of the plans out there are getting too close to strict socialism for my tastes. Not to mention every post that I see from you. :P

    I think it's a slippery slope. You yourself stated that the US has been getting more and more socialist since the 30's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasticus View Post
    More like from the early 1930s to about 1970. That was the golden age of liberalism, as you put it. The pendulum has been swinging back the other way ever since.
    Socially, laws have gotten more liberal from 1970 on. Economically, just look at spending and the size of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasticus View Post
    More like from the early 1930s to about 1970. That was the golden age of liberalism, as you put it. The pendulum has been swinging back the other way ever since.
    I'd say we're headed toward corporate socialism, rather than back toward free markets. Lefties (not directed at you) can't seem to understand the difference between the two. It's frustrating when people view issues only as dichotomies.
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