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    When something is government-run or government-paid-for, shortages are inevitable. I believe there are more MRI machines in the state of Washington (population: 6 million) than there are in Canada (population: 33 million). We Americans go to Canada to buy cheap, subsidized drugs, and Canadians come down here for specialists and for surgical procedures that are effectively unavailable up there, due to budgetary concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    The Soviet Union could have done better when it came to standards of living. But they did go from a backwards nation to the number 2 economic superpower in the world. Give credit where credit is due.
    I give the credit to the incredible amount of natural resources and very large population. (Not to mention some morally questionable strategies--another story.)

    The fact is, Capitalism smashed Socialism in the cold war, all because of economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    When something is government-run or government-paid-for, shortages are inevitable. I believe there are more MRI machines in the state of Washington (population: 6 million) than there are in Canada (population: 33 million). We Americans go to Canada to buy cheap, subsidized drugs, and Canadians come down here for specialists and for surgical procedures that are effectively unavailable up there, due to budgetary concerns.
    Sounds rather inefficient... which would be what the data tends to suggest, I believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I give the credit to the incredible amount of natural resources and very large population. (Not to mention some morally questionable strategies--another story.)
    uhhh they had those things when they were a backwords country, what's your point?

    Under Central Planning, they saw one of largest economic and power comebacks ever, of any nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    uhhh they had those things when they were a backwords country, what's your point?

    Under Central Planning, they saw one of largest economic and power comebacks ever, of any nation.
    I'll have to let someone with more specific Soviet knowledge field this question, but I do have some vague memory that their economy was in serious trouble in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    uhhh they had those things when they were a backwords country, what's your point?

    Under Central Planning, they saw one of largest economic and power comebacks ever, of any nation.
    More than half of that is due to them building an oil spigot to western Europe. What you're seeing isn't the wonders of central planning, but rather the wonders of getting petroleum to an export market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    uhhh they had those things when they were a backwords country, what's your point?

    Under Central Planning, they saw one of largest economic and power comebacks ever, of any nation.

    That's totally false. The Soviet Union was pretty damn poor for a country of the size, population, and natural resources. It certainly was NOT the "Number 2 economic superpower in the world." Military, yes. Economic, not even close. The United States, Japan, England, France, and West Germany all had bigger and more productive economies than did the Soviet Union. In fact, in the 1970s, the CIA regularly used to overestimate the size of the Soviet economy (they believed it was something around 60-70% of ours). It turned out to be approximately 28%, IIRC. You've been misinformed on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'll have to let someone with more specific Soviet knowledge field this question, but I do have some vague memory that their economy was in serious trouble in the 80s.
    Gladly.
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    "Prior to its dissolution the USSR had the second largest economy in the world after the United States"

    Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    "Prior to its dissolution the USSR had the second largest economy in the world after the United States"
    Everyone knows that already. But if after the revolution they'd copied the US Constitution, they would have been first.

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