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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I was under the impression that today's debate wasn't/isn't going to be a town hall style meeting.
    It may not be. I haven't seen anything about it short of the "Will he/won't he?" coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I completely disagree. McCain excels at town hall meetings, and Obama excels at oratory.
    Obama was going to have a townhall style meeting if McCain didn't show. My point was that a McCainless debate like that would have been a great opportunity for Obama.

    As far as I know, since McCain is showing it will be a standard debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Obama was going to have a townhall style meeting if McCain didn't show. My point was that a McCainless debate like that would have been a great opportunity for Obama.

    As far as I know, since McCain is showing it will be a standard debate.
    I see. Well, Obama with the whole time to himself would definitely have been a huge blow to McCain. Still, IMHO, Obama works better with the rousing, lofty speechifying. As charismatic a political creature as he is, I also get the feeling that he would seem less magnetic face-to-face. He's like U2; you may not like his stuff personally, and his appeal would probably be totally lost in a 100-seat venue, but he puts on a tremendous arena show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I see. Well, Obama with the whole time to himself would definitely have been a huge blow to McCain. Still, IMHO, Obama works better with the rousing, lofty speechifying. As charismatic a political creature as he is, I also get the feeling that he would seem less magnetic face-to-face. He's like U2; you may not like his stuff personally, and his appeal would probably be totally lost in a 100-seat venue, but he puts on a tremendous arena show.
    Have you seen Obama participate in a structured debate yet? I haven't.

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    I watched one of his debates with Hillary. I was actually a bit underwhelmed, but some of that was likely because of how articulate he is with prepared material. McCain has nothing to fear, and considering this is a foreign policy debate I can easily see him getting some really strong hits on Obama. The only downside to McCain is that the economy is a big enough issue right now that I can't help but see it work it's way in to some degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Have you seen Obama participate in a structured debate yet? I haven't.
    He debated Alan Keyes during the Senate race in 2004. It was pretty weird. Nice to see two black men with two very different philosophies debating in a major political contest, though.

    YouTube - Keyes-Obama debate 2 (Christianity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I see. Well, Obama with the whole time to himself would definitely have been a huge blow to McCain. Still, IMHO, Obama works better with the rousing, lofty speechifying. As charismatic a political creature as he is, I also get the feeling that he would seem less magnetic face-to-face. He's like U2; you may not like his stuff personally, and his appeal would probably be totally lost in a 100-seat venue, but he puts on a tremendous arena show.
    Obama is a bit like (the old) Brittney Spears... so much of his draw comes from his performance. In a debate, he still remains articulate, but other factors, such as timing, inflection, and passion, seem to get thrown off. When those factors get stripped, I find myself often thinking "he could have answered that question better." His content becomes a bit more bare, and a bit more plain.

    I guess I should disclose that I am an Obama supporter, though, despite just saying that. I am just not an unconditional supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't plan on voting for the guy, but I'm almost tempted to just to spite the irrational haters.
    Pfft. The irrational thing is to believe that McCain's attempt to skip the debate were for the reasons he stated. I don't hate the guy, but I know bullshit when I hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't plan on voting for the guy, but I'm almost tempted to just to spite the irrational haters.
    I don't hate McCain and would have taken him over Bush any day, but this time I don't believe he has what it takes to get us out of this mess we're in. Voting out of spite isn't what our country needs.
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    Pfft. The irrational thing is to believe that McCain's attempt to skip the debate were for the reasons he stated. I don't hate the guy, but I know bullshit when I hear it.
    Don't assume that a single event is the catalyst for my opinion.

    Look at my previous post in this thread. People who view him unfavorably will view this situation unfavorably. People who don't, won't.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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