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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I don't know, Eileen, I think the McC campaign knows what they're doing. To an observer with no prior knowledge of anyone involved, Palin vs. Biden is going to Palin. She's smooth.
    If it goes the way of the Republicans on that debate, I don't think it will be due to Palin "out-smoothing" Biden, but rather the Republicans playing up Biden's ties to credit card companies. The attack dogs of the Obama campaign ( versus Obama himself ) still haven't realized ( as Bill Clinton has ) that a lot of people like Palin for the very reasons that she is being made fun of by the Liberals. It's not that they haven't heard about some of these ballyhooed liabilities so much as they feel those things make her "one of them" !!! I cut the Keith Olbermanns etc. some slack though, as they are trying to offset the constant barrage from people like Rush Limbaugh. Maybe you can't fight fire with fire, but I enjoy hearing some of it anyway.

    I just read that Obama has supposedly taken a lot of contributions from Goldman Sachs, though, and I'm wondering how tough he can get with Paulson if that's so. But at least his side claims to be planning on doing something about the health insurance crisis.

    Still, I admit that I'm glad that some Republicans are in there fighting this thing, all the more so considering that it is sponsored by "one of their own" where the temptation must be to "quit rocking the boat".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I think people underestimate how much Obama knows his shit. He is very well versed on every major issue. I think his effort should be to make McCain look like a old clueless grandpa.
    I wonder if you and I have been looking at the same Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I wonder if you and I have been looking at the same Obama.
    Really? Have some examples? The past few months especially, he goes into specific detail and and shows a very good understanding of current events.

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    He's thinking of Osama.

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    Here, I'll save you all the trouble:

    McCain: Country, honor, I was a POW, country, my friends, country, POW, country, friends, POW, honor, POW, country, POW.

    Senator Obama, your bebuttal?

    Obama: Change, hope, change, hope, believe, hope, change, believe, hope, change, change, hope, believe, change, hope, hope, change.

    *applause*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    He's thinking of Osama.
    lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I don't know, Eileen, I think the McC campaign knows what they're doing. To an observer with no prior knowledge of anyone involved, Palin vs. Biden is going to Palin. She's smooth.
    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    She's a people person, but so is Biden. Socially, they are both adept, but on issues, Biden is so much more knowledgeable. He's going to talk and talk and show off how much he knows.
    Yeah. Based on the (admittedly just a few) interview clips I've seen with her, while she may have some charm about her, her weaknesses in terms of knowledge are pretty easily exposed. Will that convince the American people? Maybe not. And it may be that if Biden mops the floor with her because of his experience and knowledge, he'll just be widely considered to be a giant meanie... but I can't really imagine Palin actually winning a debate against Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I wonder if you and I have been looking at the same Obama.
    Well, given your (and his) biases, you may be looking at Obama differently than each other, and it's possible that neither or both of you are right. Hello, relativity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Well, given your (and his) biases, you may be looking at Obama differently than each other, and it's possible that neither or both of you are right. Hello, relativity...
    I don't know, it seems everyone agrees that he's quite articulate, and he will talk at length on foreign affairs, the economy, even issues like the Georgia/Russia conflict.

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    Yeah, I mean, I am for Obama and I agree with you. I just think that if someone doesn't take his ideas seriously, maybe it's easy for them to perceive it as all fluff and hope, maybe like it's easy for me (because I don't buy into John McCain's rhetoric) to perceive it as all fluff and patriotism.
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