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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    As long as McCain's around, it won't be anything like Bush-Cheney. He'll be the brains behind the operation. Personally, I'm quite afraid of Biden. Two sides to every coin.
    Heheh, McCain, plllease don't leave usssss.

    I don't know much about Biden. Want to fill me in?

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    Okay, LOL. Here's the first conservative Biden article I found. I'll read it shortly.

    MASON CONSERVATIVE: Biden's Mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    As long as McCain's around, it won't be anything like Bush-Cheney. He'll be the brains behind the operation. Personally, I'm quite afraid of Biden. Two sides to every coin.
    Yes, two sides indeed. McCain of 2000 was awesome. Somewhere in the 8 years he seemed to have lost his way. I can't get a feel for the McCain of 2008. On the surface he is pushing the same Bush policies that I don't feel has really done much good for the country at all.

    Obama makes me sad. I like to think I'm a pretty good reader of people, but I misjudged him a bit. I bought his Primary campaign rhetoric, for the most part. I started to feel he could offer genuine change with all the money he was earning via the people on his website, and then once he was nominated he goes back on his word and supports FISA.

    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Obama makes me sad. I like to think I'm a pretty good reader of people, but I misjudged him a bit. I bought his Primary campaign rhetoric, for the most part. I started to feel he could offer genuine change with all the money he was earning via the people on his website, and then once he was nominated he goes back on his word and supports FISA.

    *sigh*
    This makes me sad about him as well, but he has to appeal to a more moderate constituent as a presidential candidate than he did as a Dem. primary candidate. I still think it blows, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    This makes me sad about him as well, but he has to appeal to a more moderate constituent as a presidential candidate than he did as a Dem. primary candidate. I still think it blows, though.
    A lot of people would be more upset about the FISA vote if they knew what it actually meant. But, then again, something like 40% of the population believes that the POTUS can suspend the U.S. Constitution in a time of national emergency. I get depressed just thinking about it.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I wish the Religious Right would go back to the old "Leave us alone to believe what we want; the government isn't of God, anyway" program. Somewhere along the way, the conservative part of the Christian conservatives died off, and it now it's Big Government for God all the way. Makes me sad.
    That mostly happened because homosexual activists started attacking institutions such as the Boy Scouts, and "women's rights groups" starting pushing for 13 year old girls to be able to have abortions without their parents even knowing about it, much less giving permission. That kind of crap tends to kick people into a more active role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I wish the Religious Right would go back to the old "Leave us alone to believe what we want; the government isn't of God, anyway" program. Somewhere along the way, the conservative part of the Christian conservatives died off, and it now it's Big Government for God all the way. Makes me sad.
    Not an accident.

    And the same thing could happen to the Democrats with the Green Agenda.



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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Once again, this forum needs a gagging smiley. Crappy articles like that are why nothing ever gets done in politics. It's all about demonizing people and not understanding anyone or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Once again, this forum needs a gagging smiley. Crappy articles like that are why nothing ever gets done in politics. It's all about demonizing people and not understanding anyone or anything.
    If one carefully reads the article, it is about how the good intentions of many common people were used to bring about the agenda of the the few and how people's idealism was used against them. The same thing can happen in any group. It's a good lesson to pay attention to, though few will. And I do foresee that the same thing could happen to the Democrats through the Green (new age religion) agenda. But people won't want to see it.

    Also there's this smiley you can use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    If one carefully reads the article, it is about how the good intentions of many common people were used to bring about the agenda of the the few and how people's idealism was used against them. The same thing can happen in any group. It's a good lesson to pay attention to, though few will.
    The problem is you have to strip off all the layers of ridiculous sensationalist garbage rhetoric to even get to that idea. There's probably some "good lessons" in that book by Hitler, too.

    Yeah, I just Godwined this mofo, who's gonna step to me? That's what I thought.
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