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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Woah. What do you believe in so strongly that you're willing to take a risk on the fundamentalists? Or do you have great faith that her beliefs really just don't matter?
    To avoid details, it's about 20 to 5 in favor of the Republicans. I am pro-choice and stem-cell research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tblood View Post
    After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs. Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said.

    When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska. The idea of a "young Earth" -- that God created the Earth about 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and humans coexisted early on -- is a popular strain of creationism.
    That's rather pathetic... it's leftover Young Earth garbage left over from "Genesis Record" Henry Morris, stuff that has been invalidated decades ago. (I saw the pics of dinosaur footprints and human prints when I was a kid and believed it at that point, but the photos were debunked long ago.) She's believing things without having done any serious reading of criticisms.

    That sort of assumptive thinking especially about things that seem absurd to begin with really bothers me. If she could so easily dismiss easily accessible expert criticism of details like that, what other knowledge might she be inclined to dismiss just because she doesn't feel like believing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    To avoid details, it's about 20 to 5 in favor of the Republicans. I am pro-choice and stem-cell research.
    And I guess that's a reasonable enough way to vote. But if I were Republican/fiscally conservative, I'd be freaked out by the prominent presence of religious nutjobs in my party, and I wouldn't want their beliefs forming any kind of policy. Seems to me like a sure way to destroy individual rights--which I don't believe is a value of only the Democrats (certainly not stereotypically).
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    McCain>>>>>>>>>Bush>Obama imo.

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    Where does McCain of 2000 fall in that graph?

    I consider myself to be fiscally conservative. If either candidate could be considered that, I'd be much more likely to vote for him, regardless of the party.

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    McCain 2000 is like wayyyyy over to the awesome left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    McCain 2000 is like wayyyyy over to the awesome left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Unfortunately, what a person believes about Jesus etc certainly does affect what they believe politically as well. It just so happens that people who deny evolution also tend to have problematic beliefs about the right to choose and a whole slew of other issues. That Sarah Palin denies this wouldn't necessarily be a problem if this one belief occurred in isolation from other beliefs that affect people's bodies, livelihoods, and the like... but it doesn't. I don't think she should be judged based on this one belief, but if you look closer at it, it is part of a larger system of fundamentalist views.

    Then you seem to have a problem with people having overarching values systems, or their having overarching values systems which conflict with yours. Again, you can look at the individual POLICIES (about abortion or taxes or gay marriage, anything at all) without indicting someone for his or her belief system. Sarah Palin's believing that human beings coexisted with dinosaurs has absolutely no bearing on me whatsoever. Her policy initiatives could, and I base my lack of support on her for those. Saying that, because someone is a fundamentalist, she makes poor decisions is pretty fundamentalist on your part. I know a few fundamentalist Christians who are libertarians or liberals (at least when it comes to "social justice" concerns).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Saying that, because someone is a fundamentalist, she makes poor decisions is pretty fundamentalist on your part. I know a few fundamentalist Christians who are libertarians
    Hmmmm. Not too surprising to hear about Fundy Libertarians. Would you go so far as to say that a believer in a "flat earth" would not cause you any concern, and should be looked at as only one category among many in evaluating a candidate ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    I consider fossils, carbon dating, the egyptian pyraminds and hieroglyphs, and universally accepted ideas from the experts in their fields to be relevant enough to not be ignored. Principles should not be an excuse to ignore all dissenting evidence.
    As do I, but her opinions on the matter are A) non-expert; and B) irrelevant to whether or not she would make a good or bad executive. Willful ignorance of scientific opinion isn't a good quality, but it's small potatoes compared to ignorance of the Constitution or ignorance of foreign policy.
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