01-07-2017, 05:53 PM #11
01-07-2017, 05:57 PM #12
The EU will rise again
01-07-2017, 06:05 PM #13
01-07-2017, 06:30 PM #14
That is true. (as my post suggests)
However the fact is that at this point alot less concrete stuff has happened than the media tend to project. Therefore if you persue these kind of questions/projections you are creating something that is likely to turn into a self fulfiling prophecy. While it is perhaps the best that everybody just calms down and starts to think about other subjects. Since "mass fear and panic" is often the main thing that is driving edgy situations into the abyss, not the inital problem.
01-07-2017, 08:14 PM #15
01-07-2017, 08:15 PM #16
We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Take solace in the fact that Britain will be busy enough taking care of itself.IN SERIO FATVITAS.
-τὸ γὰρ γράμμα ἀποκτέννει, τὸ δὲ πνεῦμα ζῳοποιεῖ-
01-07-2017, 08:41 PM #17
Donald Trump seems to be offering a future to the UK post EU.
Trump's EU ambassador supports Brexit: US trade deal expected within a year | Politics | News | Daily Express January 8th 2017
Man tipped to be next US ambassador in UK says Britain will thrive under Brexit | World | News | Daily Express November 21st 2016
... He ridiculed the notion of the European Union (EU) and the idea the US could be asked to join the ailing bloc.
He said: "Would they want the United States to join anything like the EU — a federal superstate that curtails sovereignty?"
"Of course the answer is no! We wouldn’t want that in any way, shape or form."
"And the British already decided not to become part of the flawed euro currency and the European Central Bank."
01-08-2017, 04:46 AM #18
I don't understand why are you so into trade deals. I am pretty sure US doesn't want such a trade deal because it hopes to have a trade deficit in it. In the end trade deals are mostly nothing more than "might makes right".
However those words are probably very good for EU, because Trump's hate towards it might just be the mechanism that it will keep it in one piece. Especially since this and Brexit allow the Europe's mainland to distance itself from English speaking spheres of influence. (since it is separate entity culturally and econimically )
01-08-2017, 11:55 AM #19
Scotland would really like to remain part of the EU too, it is english speaking too, its pretty much England and the US which oppose the EU and I'm not exactly sure why they do so as vehemently as they do.
The trade agreements thing is something I understand, they arent good things per se, although the UK press has for a long time sold them as always positive because they demonstrate a willingness or need to deal with or do business with as oppose to shun. All of which is a bit bonkers when you think of international affairs and geo-politics, reducing the international order to the sorts of territorial games that street gangs play but that's about the height of it at the minute, I've begun to think its about demographic shifts personally, a lot of younger people coming of age and imagining the world is really like the video games they've grown used to playing.
01-08-2017, 12:28 PM #20
Ok, when I was saying English speaking world I was mostly thinking at conservatives in Britain and mainstream in USA since I am basically talking about people who prefer open Capitalism. I though this was was obvious. The thing is that because of constant wars and revolutions on our soil mainland Europe has quite different way of looking at the stuff like government, constitution, economy etc. Therefore it suits us if we are not too close because that probably means "cultural spill" into our lands.
However if US and UK make a large trade deal that could make Scotland independant since people there may not be open minded towards American food. Which is a big deal braker to pretty much everyone in he world.