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    Default Happy Constitution Day!

    Today (September 17th) is Constitution Day, the federal observance of the day in 1787 that thirty-nine of our Founding Fathers signed the U.S. Constitution (it would be ratified the following year, and the federal government began operation under it in 1789). Most Americans are ignorant of this day and of what it means for them. So, in this thread, I'd like to hear about your favorite aspects of the Constitution and its genesis.
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    I like how they left parts vague, allowing for different interpretations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I like how they left parts vague, allowing for different interpretations.
    The Constitution isn't particularly vague on most issues, but OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The Constitution isn't particularly vague on most issues, but OK.
    Vague enough to cause years and years of disagreement on interpretation.

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    I'm glad they included the Bill of Rights.

    The argument against the Bill of Rights then, in a nutshell: many at the time thought if they outlined specific rights, they would be considered the only rights. That has proven true, though I think if we didn't have the Bill, we'd be plum F'd by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm glad they included the Bill of Rights.

    The argument against the Bill of Rights then, in a nutshell: many at the time thought if they outlined specific rights, they would be considered the only rights. That has proven true, though I think if we didn't have the Bill, we'd be plum F'd by now.
    That's a good point. The Bill of Rights was necessary, but not totally adequate. Of course, at the time they were ratified, American politicians took the Ninth and Tenth Amendments a lot more seriously than they do now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Vague enough to cause years and years of disagreement on interpretation.
    A lot of this "interpretation" was actually political maneuvering. The New Deal era to the present has been a near-constant raping of the Interstate Commerce Clause, for instance. The words are about as clear as they can get, but, unfortunately, politics affects everything, including application of constitutional law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    A lot of this "interpretation" was actually political maneuvering. The New Deal era to the present has been a near-constant raping of the Interstate Commerce Clause, for instance. The words are about as clear as they can get, but, unfortunately, politics affects everything, including application of constitutional law.
    I agree, most aren't simply trying to honestly interpret the Constitution, but use it's vagueness to forward their political cause. I don't necessarily disagree with this practice however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I agree, most aren't simply trying to honestly interpret the Constitution, but use it's vagueness to forward their political cause. I don't necessarily disagree with this practice however.
    I honestly don't think it's that vague. I mean, the Second Amendment (for instance) is pretty damn clear. However, if you believe that, due to the evolution in range and lethality of weaponry, it is no longer germane to modern society, then you should support repealing or modifying the amendment. What's illegitimate is a federal court decision declaring the right to bear arms "a collective right" or claiming a "penumbra" in the text, when there is none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The Bill of Rights was necessary, but not totally adequate.
    Why necessary? Many modern democracies survive without such a thing.

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