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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    When someone says 'cure', I picture someone actively doing something. I think more intervention. Neither of these candidates believe in less intervention. Neither one is going to roll things back in (what I believe to be) a positive way. And even if they did, I wouldn't see it as the president curing anything. I'd see it as the president taking his hands off things he shouldn't be touching with in the first place.
    So your main issue was that someone used the word "cure" in a way that you wouldn't use it? Ok, I'll make a mental note: the president does have power to effect the economy. Just don't use the word "cure". Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You do realize that all of those can be used to increase corporate power, right?
    Regulation can. Safety standards, workers rights..these ideas are big annoyances to companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Regulation can. Safety standards, workers rights..these ideas are big annoyances to companies.
    They drive up the costs of doing business, which is a good thing for established corporations that want less competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    They drive up the costs of doing business, which is a good thing for established corporations that want less competition.
    Makes no difference when it's established corporations vs. established corporations. (e.g. Apple vs. Microsoft)...which take up much of the total market. They will both lose profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Makes no difference when it's established corporations vs. established corporations. (e.g. Apple vs. Microsoft)...which take up much of the total market. They will both lose profit.
    But it makes it harder for a new player to get in the mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    But it makes it harder for a new player to get in the mix.
    Which is why we can offer small-business grants, tax breaks for small biz..as many perks as necessary.

    Safety standards, worker's rights...these things are important and must be enforced for the good of the common people. I know a libertarian must hate the phrase "workers rights", but hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Which is why we can offer small-business grants, tax breaks for small biz..as many perks as necessary.

    Safety standards, worker's rights...these things are important and must be enforced for the good of the common people. I know a libertarian must hate the phrase "workers rights", but hey.
    *shrugs* Within rights. I've been the worker who has been canned due to business needs, and I've been the one doing the canning.

    I believe that termination should happen for two reasons: business needs or behavioral cause. And of course I don't think that people should have to work in an unsafe environment. Reasonable precautions should be taken.

    All of these perks, however, seems like it's open for abuse. Seriously, my dad owned a small business when he was with us, and there are enough loopholes already existing in the tax code. Anything more from the government would be absolutely ridiculous. How 'bout we just keep the government out of it, period?

    Competition should be at least kind of fair. And that means not making things so hard for a third party to come into play that they don't have a shot in hell, but that also shouldn't mean the government coming in and helping that third party.

    Go for the in between. Stay out of it all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    How 'bout we just keep the government out of it, period?
    Corporate power has to be checked in order to reduce corruption, abuse of power, unsafe working conditions, price gouging, monopolies, insider trading...could go on forever really.


    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    Competition should be at least kind of fair.
    That's the point of giving advantages to small business: leveling the playing field and creating more fair competition. Capitalism is all but "fair".

    If a large company is being inefficient, they shouldn't, just because of their size, beat out smaller competition who might be a more efficient company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    That's the point of giving advantages to small business: leveling the playing field and creating more fair competition. Capitalism is all but "fair".

    If a large company is being inefficient, they shouldn't, just because of their size, beat out smaller competition who might be a more efficient company.
    "Fair" was a poor word choice. What I'm trying to get at is this: I don't want to give advantages to small businesses with "perks", but I don't want to disadvantage them with government regulations to the point of ridiculousness driving up the cost of business so much that a little guy can't get in there.

    FWIW, though, isn't that smaller company usually just purchased by a bigger company anyway?

    Corporate power has to be checked in order to reduce corruption, abuse of power, unsafe working conditions, price gouging, monopolies, insider trading...could go on forever really.
    I am really off my game tonight. "Keep the government out of it" was in reference to using the "authoritay" of the government to either help or hinder small businesses. Or large ones, for that matter. On a financial basis, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    "Fair" was a poor word choice. What I'm trying to get at is this: I don't want to give advantages to small businesses with "perks", but I don't want to disadvantage them with government regulations to the point of ridiculousness driving up the cost of business so much that a little guy can't get in there.

    FWIW, though, isn't that smaller company usually just purchased by a bigger company anyway?



    I am really off my game tonight. "Keep the government out of it" was in reference to using the "authoritay" of the government to either help or hinder small businesses. Or large ones, for that matter. On a financial basis, of course.
    So are we in agreement that government should do something about all the negative market effects out there (price gouging, safety, insider trading, all that good stuff)?

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