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    I have a much different reaction looking back at 9/11 than I did when it happened. When it happened I was mostly shocked for a bit and that was mostly it. Looking back I am very pissed, not at the terrorists, but at our Commander in Chief.

    This is the worst post Civil War attack on US soil by far. Pearl Harbor was a cake walk compared to this. How does our president respond? Send a minimal force to Afghanistan and then a short time later send a much larger force to a completely unrelated country. He barely tried to stop Al-Queda at all. I can't even fathom reasoning like that. How can a President hate his people that much? Doesn't he care when we are attacked by terrorists?

    If you are going to remember 9/11, then do it on election day. Let everyone know that the president cannot get away with dicking around in another country when our safety is at risk. Do not vote for anyone that ever thought Iraq was a good idea. No matter the outcome of Iraq, it is a failed war, because it took our eyes off the real target. The real target is Al-Queda and Bin Laden. Vote for someone that actually wants to stop our real threats instead of make up imaginary ones.
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    "Never forget?"

    Sorry to carry this cynicism in my heart, but it smacks of jingoism to me.

    We've got a second Vietnam on our foolish hands and we've got to keep the homefires burning with hatred and cries for retribution to justify this multi-billion dollar "war." Heck, our youth are being slaughtered, disabled and commiting suicide in record numbers over there. We're slaughtering thousands of innocent adults and children.

    Never forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Of course. What else?
    The one with the highest body count?

    Christianity may be full of crackpots, but at least they're not murdering people because they don't believe in their God.

    I say have your religion so long as you don't come into our lives with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Oh I think there is. I don't think anyone will forget, but some people already treat it just a historical event and take for granted that it won't happen again. Stirring up "excesses of emotion" can have many positive effects. One is to remind people of the unity that was felt in the country for a period after the attacks, and another is for us not to support government policies that ignore the threat of another attack.
    Excesses of emotion don't do anything but give the people sharing in them a sense of togetherness and drama. It's just feel good unity.

    It would be better if people spent their time researching the facts of what actually happened, what lead up to their happening, what broke down to allow it all to happen and what still needs to be fixed.

    I don't see many people around me using their OWN critical thought to look at all the aspects of 9/11 and come to their own conclusions. I see people chanting mantras and accepting at face value what their media tells them without comparing different bits of info. They won't even question when the media contridicts itself.

    Made an EDIT here because I don't care for the way I put something: It feels good to many to feel sad about 9/11 but that's not really getting anyone anywhere.

    ^I should have put it better. I feel like people miss the whole point. People need to do their own thinking and less feeling about this issue. Ask more questions, seek more answers to hard questions and less comfort. That's my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    The one with the highest body count?

    Christianity may be full of crackpots, but at least they're not murdering people because they don't believe in their God.

    I say have your religion so long as you don't come into our lives with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Excesses of emotion don't do anything but give the people sharing in them a sense of togetherness and drama. It's just feel good unity.
    Yeah. What's wrong with that?

    It would be better if people spent their time researching the facts of what actually happened, what lead up to their happening, what broke down to allow it all to happen and what still needs to be fixed.

    I don't see many people around me using their OWN critical thought to look at all the aspects of 9/11 and come to their own conclusions. I see people chanting mantras and accepting at face value what their media tells them without comparing different bits of info. They won't even question when the media contridicts itself.

    It feels good to many to feel sad about 9/11 but that's not really getting anyone anywhere.
    ?? I think that's just bizarre. It feels good to many to feel sad? Huh?

    And I question everything. Especially from the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    ?? I think that's just bizarre. It feels good to many to feel sad? Huh?
    Bonding. Feelings of shared emotions. That feeling of unity that you mentioned. Humans in general are reinforced by this, it is very tribal and basic to us all...But no thought going into the reasons why the events happened.

    The emotionalism can be good up to a point if it inspires individuals to question things, but if the emotions themselves prove a distraction to critical thought, if they stop thought, that's not really so good.

    And I question everything. Especially from the media.
    You may question everything. I didn't mean to suggest that you personally did not. What I am saying is, I don't see a lot of this in the people around me in offline life. They accept the soundbites and just go with them. They are pure emotion and instinct with little of their own critical thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Yeah. What's wrong with that?
    It accomplishes nothing substantive.

    ?? I think that's just bizarre. It feels good to many to feel sad? Huh?
    Yes, some call it emotional masturbation.
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    Maybe my choice of the word "good" was not the best word. It feels comforting to in some way to group together in emotion, but after a time it can become a distraction itself that outlives the need for immediate comfort. After the crisis needs to come the questioning, investigating, fixing/solutions and healing.

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