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    Default Trump's rise correlated to authoritarianism - Where are you on the scale?

    Here's the article: Donald Trump 2016: The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter - POLITICO Magazine

    Here's a link for the authoritarianism test: The F Scale: Final form

    It seems that a personality/political trait of sorts called authoritarianism is well correlated with having support for Donald Trump, here's how it's defined:

    Quote Originally Posted by Definition
    Following World War II there was a significant amount of interest in what was termed the "authoritarian personality". Psychologists wanted to understand the psychologies of fascist regimes and their followers. This line of research produced the California F-scale (F for fascist) in 1947. The Right-wing Authoritarianism Scale was developed by Bob Altemeyer in 1981 as a revision of the F-scale that improved its statistical properties.
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    Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities. These constraints might include restrictions on immigration, limits on free speech and association and laws regulating moral behaviour. It is the willingness to support or take action that leads to increased social uniformity that makes right-wing authoritarianism more than just a personal distaste for difference. Right-wing authoritarianism is characterized by obedience to authority, moral absolutism, racial and ethnic prejudice, and intolerance and punitiveness towards dissidents and deviants. In parenting, right-wing authoritarians value children's obedience, neatness, and good manners.
    The article defines the trait as:

    Quote Originally Posted by Authoritarianism Defined
    Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.
    It's reasoned that the current social and political climate is ripe for producing more and more authoritarian individuals, from the article:

    Take activated authoritarians from across the partisan spectrum and the growing cadre of threatened non-authoritarians, then add them to the base of Republican general election voters, and the potential electoral path to a Trump presidency becomes clearer.

    It's all very interesting to think about, and from how I see it, it seems quite accurate and explains a lot. For interest of talking pulse here: Where do you test on the scale, and do you support trump? Would be interesting to see if this pattern emerges. Discuss.


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    You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

    Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened.
    @Hard Hmm, time for a trip down memory lane...

    http://www.newsweek.com/problem-cult-obama-69717

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    He's like Lenin or Stalin, he's charismatic but ultimately empty and lacking. Anyone who follows him is frankly....desperate. Which says sad sad things about Merica, but good grief, are you twelve? I'm tired of feeling sorry for people who are stupid, immature or uninformed just because I'm not perfect..am I their mother? These people have brain damage, they should not even be allowed to join the rest of us in democracy.
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    Out of history it is easy to notice that when economy sinks and elites get caught in their their endless but pointless games it almost always happens that Trump like figure shows up. The only difference is that USA managed to more or less stay away from this due to its economic strength. However that strength got depleted and this is/was pretty inevitable consequence.
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    You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

    Um, okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    He's like Lenin or Stalin, he's charismatic but ultimately empty and lacking.
    Lenin, along with Trotsky, was responsible for the ethnic cleansing of the Germano-Russian upper and middle classes after the Bolshevik revolution, and therefore taught us all the true meaning of a socialist paradise. Stalin's insane policies led to over 10 million people starving in the Ukraine, and he was a paranoid monster who sent scores of his own people into slavery.

    You are comparing these guys...to Donald Trump. Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Anyone who follows him is frankly....desperate. Which says sad sad things about Merica, but good grief, are you twelve? I'm tired of feeling sorry for people who are stupid, immature or uninformed just because I'm not perfect..am I their mother? These people have brain damage, they should not even be allowed to join the rest of us in democracy.
    Trump supporters are acting no differently to people who support any other candidate. He is promoting policy positions that align with their own. There is a huge wave of populist anger which Trump (and to a lesser extent, Bernie Sanders) is riding. People are pissed off, and yes many are desperate. But that doesn't make them wrong.

    And for the record, a trend exists whereby the more informed a person is, the more partisan they are likely to be in their politics. You are falling victim to the middle ground fallacy.
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    Question 22 on that test is the weirdest damn question. Anyway, I got 1.5333333333333334, putting me in the lowest category.

    I feel like the opening of the article kind of brushes past the fact that Trump supporters really are setup a part by a tendency to have less than a college education. One of the reasons for his lead in the primary is that he has basically consolidated the uneducated while his opponents are dividing the vote of the educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    @Hard Hmm, time for a trip down memory lane...

    http://www.newsweek.com/problem-cult-obama-69717

    I've never seen this before and don't understand the point you're trying to make is?
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