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    Palin scares me. Honestly, the McCain-Palin ticket scares me even more.

    McCain is pretty old, 4 time cancer survivor with a high likely hood of getting it again.

    Palin has obvious family issues. You can argue about experience or inexperience all you want, but when crunch time comes how is her family going to hold up when they are already shaky to begin with?

    Neither of them are a good choice to run for anything at the moment. It actually seems pretty stupid either way you look at Palin running as VP. Either McCain did not fully vet her and still picked her - stupid. Or did fully vet her and still picked her - stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miked277 View Post
    oh and btw the great depression lasted all the way up to WWII *because* of and not inspite of FDR's new deal. he was a good example of someone who acted and looked great, giving the american people hope in their most dire hour while at the same time dashing any chance of a speedy recovery due to his poor policy choices. a mistake which was partially repeated in 2000 and partially relearned by 2008.
    And this is one of the reasons that I dread the possibility of an Obama administration. It's also the main reason that I believe that the government screws things up worse when they try to fix it and why I believe that a free and open market is one of the best fixes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Palin is a MORON!!!

    UGH!!!

    Her political views are nothing less than RETARDED!!!

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    Disagreement doesn't equal "moron" or "retarded". She's intelligent. That doesn't mean that I like or agree with her views on most social issues (because I don't).

    But is it necessary for you to personally attack her because you disagree with her?

    If so, then that says a lot more about you than it does about her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post

    * Opposes stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
    * Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
    * Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
    * Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
    * Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)

    * Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional. (Aug 2008)
    * Marriage only be between and man and a woman. (Nov 2006)
    * Value our cultural diversity. (Nov 2006)
    * Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006)
    * No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006)
    * Top priorities include preserving definition of "marriage". (Jul 2006)

    * Opposes legalizing marijuana, but meth is greater threat. (Aug 2006)
    * Smoked marijuana when it was legal under Alaska law. (Aug 2006)
    * Top priorities include gangs & drugs; they harm family life. (Jul 2006)

    * Teach creationism alongside evolution in schools. (Aug 2008)
    * Supports teaching intelligent design in public schools. (Aug 2008)
    * 294 Alaska public schools progressed under NCLB. (Aug 2008)
    * School debate should focus on accountability. (Jan 2008)
    * Committed to providing strong education, including morals. (Jan 2008)
    * Budget funds education, but will to work is also critical. (Jan 2008)
    * Fully fund K-12 and support early funding of education. (Jan 2007)
    * Supports $20 million needs-based aid for U. Alaska. (Nov 2006)
    * Forward-fund K-12 schools to allow better planning. (Nov 2006)
    * Supports charter schools, home schools, & other alternatives. (Nov 2006)
    * Target early education programs to at-risk groups. (Nov 2006)
    * Alignment between parents, teachers, schools, & business. (Nov 2006)
    * Faith-based materials ok in homeschooling. (Nov 2006)
    * ABC method: back to basics, plus patriotism & ethics. (Nov 2006)
    * Supports parental choice for what is best for their children. (Nov 2006)
    * Let parents opt out of schoolbooks they find offensive. (Jul 2006)
    * Parents know best, about school spending & school age. (Jul 2006)
    * Pledge of Allegiance with 'Under God' is good enough. (Jul 2006)
    I disagree with quite a few of these things. That still doesn't make her stupid.

    But let's go line-item here, just for the sake of conversation.

    * Opposes stem cell research. (Aug 2008)

    Okay, so I disagree with her here. I very much support the concept of stem cell research. However, it is still remarkably consistent with her pro-life stance.

    * Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
    * Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
    * Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
    * Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)


    So I don't agree with her pro-life stance, nor do I agree with her views on homosexuality. I'm still not seeing anything in here that supports calling her a moron.

    But let's look at the things that do make sense in here. We're going to take it for granted that she has a very pro-life stance, anti-gay stance and also a very Christian stance, just to save time.

    * Opposes legalizing marijuana, but meth is greater threat. (Aug 2006)

    So, while I do favor legalizing marijuana, I can't argue with the thought that meth is the greater threat. What does one have to do with the other? The implication here is that she's anti-pot but pro-meth. I don't see anything in this statement that would indicate that.

    * Teach creationism alongside evolution in schools. (Aug 2008)
    * Supports teaching intelligent design in public schools. (Aug 2008)


    Okay, so I, personally, believe in teaching the theory of evolution in schools. However, it is still a theory. *shrugs* If the schools want to teach evolution, creationism, and intelligent design side by side, then that's fine. As long as the teacher himself (or herself) does not promote one above the other. (I actually had an awesome experience with my own Bio teacher who taught the theory of evolution. When we got to that section, he stopped the class and told us very frankly that this is the material that he is required to teach. He understands that it is a very controversial subject, but he will teach it. His own personal views on the subject were not relevant to the course curriculum and would not be discussed. I see no harm if creationism and intelligent design are taught the same way. But creationism would be far better taught in an elective class with other creation myths.)

    * 294 Alaska public schools progressed under NCLB. (Aug 2008)
    * School debate should focus on accountability. (Jan 2008)
    * Committed to providing strong education, including morals. (Jan 2008)
    * Budget funds education, but will to work is also critical. (Jan 2008)
    * Fully fund K-12 and support early funding of education. (Jan 2007)
    * Supports $20 million needs-based aid for U. Alaska. (Nov 2006)
    * Forward-fund K-12 schools to allow better planning. (Nov 2006)
    * Supports charter schools, home schools, & other alternatives. (Nov 2006)
    * Target early education programs to at-risk groups. (Nov 2006)
    * Alignment between parents, teachers, schools, & business. (Nov 2006)
    * Faith-based materials ok in homeschooling. (Nov 2006)
    * ABC method: back to basics, plus patriotism & ethics. (Nov 2006)
    * Supports parental choice for what is best for their children. (Nov 2006)
    * Let parents opt out of schoolbooks they find offensive. (Jul 2006)
    * Parents know best, about school spending & school age. (Jul 2006)


    Y'know, I don't really see a problem with any of this. It's putting the power to teach our children back in the hands of the parents and helping to get away from the nanny state of the government dictating your child's education.

    Now, tell me, why the Hell *shouldn't* a parent who homeschools their child be allowed to include faith-based materials? Aren't a good portion of parents who homeschool doing so because they don't like the godless education that comes from public schools?

    You FAIL at showing me anything that makes her a moron. I don't agree with any of her social policies regarding abortion and gay rights. That doesn't, however, impact her intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    LOL, but she is INCREDIBLY conservative and BACKWARDS in her social views, even for a republican, imo.


    My point was to display, in a more viewer-friendly manner why she is a MORON!
    You clearly have an inability to disagree with someone's views without it denigrating into personal attacks. Very mature of you.
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    I got that email forward too, CC, and I really failed to see why it was such a huge deal. I already knew I disagreed with her about a lot of things. It doesn't make her a moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyGoose View Post
    Palin scares me. Honestly, the McCain-Palin ticket scares me even more.

    McCain is pretty old, 4 time cancer survivor with a high likely hood of getting it again.

    Palin has obvious family issues. You can argue about experience or inexperience all you want, but when crunch time comes how is her family going to hold up when they are already shaky to begin with?

    Neither of them are a good choice to run for anything at the moment. It actually seems pretty stupid either way you look at Palin running as VP. Either McCain did not fully vet her and still picked her - stupid. Or did fully vet her and still picked her - stupid.
    None of our choices are any good this time around.

    We have the options of a candidate who wants to increase taxes and strengthen the nanny state mentality, another four more years of the Bush doctrine, or a third party candidate.

    Personally, I'll be voting for the third party candidate, and hope that enough of our citizens are as disenchanted with the choices that our two-party system has brought us to do the same.

    Bob Barr FTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    None of our choices are any good this time around.

    We have the options of a candidate who wants to increase taxes and strengthen the nanny state mentality, another four more years of the Bush doctrine, or a third party candidate.

    Personally, I'll be voting for the third party candidate, and hope that enough of our citizens are as disenchanted with the choices that our two-party system has brought us to do the same.

    Bob Barr FTW.
    And Bob Barr isn't even that great a choice. Maybe Republicans will wise up and put together a Hagel/Flake ticket? Somehow, I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    None of our choices are any good this time around.

    We have the options of a candidate who wants to increase taxes and strengthen the nanny state mentality, another four more years of the Bush doctrine, or a third party candidate.

    Personally, I'll be voting for the third party candidate, and hope that enough of our citizens are as disenchanted with the choices that our two-party system has brought us to do the same.

    Bob Barr FTW.
    I'm actually okay with Obama. I agree with most of his views. His inexperience was a touch worrisome, but he picked Biden so that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    And Bob Barr isn't even that great a choice. Maybe Republicans will wise up and put together a Hagel/Flake ticket? Somehow, I doubt it.
    Agreed. It's just a matter of which choice (out of all the bad choices) do I find the least unacceptable?
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